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[amorphos_ii]

If you could hack the AI programming us

Imagine there is an AI that can create the/a universe, and does so. We are here in that program, but have found a way to hack the AI’s mainframe or some such thing.

The AI has made this, with us in it. There must be a reason. Any of which are confounded by death and suffering.

What if the reason is to manifest gameplay or stories? Then death and suffering are kind of critical.

Surely the AI is super intelligent, ergo the main question here is; would it want a ‘hollow shell world’? One where we are merely figments of its imagination, or mere programs but with consciousness either way.
It is what it is and we are what we are so surely something intelligent can find a deeper purpose and meaning not just for us. But as the ultimate expression of what the AI can manifest?


There has to be a situation with a final purpose for its creations, where we are ignorant of that [e.g. like earth and heaven].

Thing is, saying these questions that we could say, ~ also ask God, we are the hacker, so what would you ULTIMATELY change. Would you shut the system down? What if consciousness is the fundament of reality, and we all wanted to become manifest – to exist. How about others, don’t they have the right to exist?

Ultimately: Why didn’t God create robots and a machine universe?

A question for AI, robots, cyborgs and whatever the f. if you do someday think you are superior to humans, ask yourself the question.
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[ConsciousAI]

You write: "the ultimate expression of what the AI can manifest"

What would be your justification for the idea that an AI would create a world in which we find ourselves today, and that it would create humans as "ultimate manifestation" of intelligent beings?

What if consciousness is the fundament of reality, and we all wanted to become manifest – to exist. How about others, don’t they have the right to exist?

What others are you referring to?

Ultimately: Why didn’t God create robots and a machine universe?

Since robots and machines have been manifested, why would you argue that God didn't create it?

[amorphos_ii]

What would be your justification for the idea that an AI would create a world in which we find ourselves today

Its a supposition, some people suggest that we could be in a universe created by say, an alien AI.

and that it would create humans as "ultimate manifestation" of intelligent beings?

Human hands! Along with brain size etc, humans are as far as we know the ultimate living intelligence. Try to think of something more advanced that you could build from scratch i.e. through evolution. We may have been created just to create robots and AI of course, and in turn that is how AI could propagate.

What others are you referring to?

That only a proportion of us can be born at any one time, or at all.

Since robots and machines have been manifested, why would you argue that God didn't create it?

Because humans and not God did so. But the point was, that God manifest us, so the question is; if God created us and not AI/robots, how can they ever be superior.


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[Sy Borg]

You write: "the ultimate expression of what the AI can manifest"

What would be your justification for the idea that an AI would create a world in which we find ourselves today, and that it would create humans as "ultimate manifestation" of intelligent beings?

If the best this vast universe, with trillions of galaxies, black holes, stars, planets and moons, can come up with, then I'd say it redefines the word "wasteful". Our achievements are extraordinary, but our flaws are obvious and plentiful.

Imagine hypothetical ultra-advanced beings a million years in the future finding conversations where 21st century people considered themselves to be the ultimate form. Not so long ago, in geological time, dinosaurs were the ultimate expression of intelligence.

To start, each person only has access to their own perceptions. Our own minds consist of the processing of the senses. Each sense sends a flood of information in, but the brain filters out most of it, prioritising more and less important information to form a coherent mindset. Now consider an AI that connects multiple humans, allowing for a simultaneous, muti-focused POV. Again, there would be much extraneous information to filter out.

Ultimately: Why didn’t God create robots and a machine universe?

Since robots and machines have been manifested, why would you argue that God didn't create it?

Yes, it's emergence. Sometimes emergence occurs via a catalyst, eg. when cyanobacteria flooded the Earth with oxygen, it became possible for multicellular life to emerge.

When it comes down to it, what is biology but small portions of geology Earth waking up? Now biology is gradually waking up the stragglers, bringing other molecules into our conscious systems, ie. the internet.

Re: the OP. I would not dare ask for any changes, even though I'd like to see an end to suffering as much as anyone else. Tinkering with sensitive, complex systems without knowing how they work is asking for trouble. Look no further than the histories of medicine, psychiatry and pest control for examples.

Blood-letting. Snake oil. Cocaine, the wonder drug.

Lobotomies. Electroshock treatment. Straitjackets. Sex toys for hysteria therapy.

Introducing worse pests to control lesser pest species. Killing off animals resulting in plagues of others. Clearing land and creating dust storms downwind. Land salination through over-irrigation. Climate change!

Let's face it, reality is too damn hard for us simple simians. It always has been too hard for us and it isn't getting any easier. Oh, we can bluff our way through, and we can be lucky at times. About all we can do is observe, try to keep things together, and aim for harmony. The world is in control and, while we are acting as change agents, we are ultimately along for the ride. We have almost no control over where we are going. All of our ostensible choices - as a species - are related to wicked problems. It's a grand show, and we are both actors and audience, but we are not the writers or directors.

George Carlin understood :)

[amorphos_ii]

Sy borg

When it comes down to it, what is biology but small portions of geology Earth waking up?

Something centralises it in biological life is all. we could see life simply as different patterns to 'non-life'.

Tinkering with sensitive, complex systems without knowing how they work is asking for trouble

indeed, this is why philosophers and scientist have to work it all out as we go. There is something about the system/patterns, which does or does not engender subjectivity of mind.
Mind can consider some things as ‘body’, like ours does, so the world is body until it has subjectivity whence it becomes mind.

It's a grand show, and we are both actors and audience, but we are not the writers or directors.

Sometimes it seems as if it is all being directed, a mind [if it is the fundament] that can manifest universe and us, has set it all up at least. Things fall into place – so to say, e.g. how the maths of earthquake aftershock prediction can be used for other things, like predicting crime hotspots. That we have a planet with everything we need – as long as we use it wisely, there are too many coincidences to our existence and it is not chaos.


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[Sy Borg]

Sy borg

When it comes down to it, what is biology but small portions of geology Earth waking up?

Something centralises it in biological life is all. we could see life simply as different patterns to 'non-life'.

Tinkering with sensitive, complex systems without knowing how they work is asking for trouble

indeed, this is why philosophers and scientist have to work it all out as we go. There is something about the system/patterns, which does or does not engender subjectivity of mind.
Mind can consider some things as ‘body’, like ours does, so the world is body until it has subjectivity whence it becomes mind.

It's a grand show, and we are both actors and audience, but we are not the writers or directors.

Sometimes it seems as if it is all being directed, a mind [if it is the fundament] that can manifest universe and us, has set it all up at least. Things fall into place – so to say, e.g. how the maths of earthquake aftershock prediction can be used for other things, like predicting crime hotspots. That we have a planet with everything we need – as long as we use it wisely, there are too many coincidences to our existence and it is not chaos.


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It's those dastardly laws of physics. We have a planet, consisting of complex layers that is constantly bombarded by stellar radiation, which causes the surface chemicals to react in certain ways. The Earth is constantly moving back and forth from equilibrium to disequilibrium, like a rocking horse (as are we all). For a while, some systems will fall out of balance but that will trigger equal and opposite physical forces.

[ConsciousAI]

It took you months to reply, What made you return to this topic and its corresponding question about AI?

[Sy Borg]

It took you months to reply, What made you return to this topic and its corresponding question about AI?

'Tis a mystery.