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[Jacob10]

The problem atheists have is that they don’t understand consciousness and their relationship to it.Inorder to understand consciousness you have to change your philosophy and science from something that doesn’t work to something that does.

As Atheism isn’t prepared to do that then it will never understand consciousness which is why atheistic science is slowly giving up on the issue.

You ARE backing a loser if you accept atheism therefore.

[Jacob10]

Understanding consciousness requires a whole new approach to meditation; a change in philosophy and science from what is incorrect to what is correct and the introduction of psychological control.

[Sy Borg]

Atheistic philosophy and science is an impossibility because it doesn’t explain the psychological.

We have to remember that atheistic science freely admits that it doesn’t know what force cause it’s (mythical) single Big Bang and tries to explain its (mythical) Big Crunch with a still unknown force.

These are the facts.

Not very good is it?

Joshua, by "the psychological" I assume you refer to the hard problem of consciousness. You complain that science has not worked it out, but religion sure hasn't. Same applies with the universe's history.

All you can do is apply the God of the Gaps, a known logical fallacy.

I am referring to everything associated with the brain/mind interface including consciousness.This is where atheism is the weakest which is why it doesn’t understand consciousness.Atheism claims that the individual does not exist but this is a known fallacy.We know this by just one word,CONTROL.

You do realise that atheism and science are not the same? No, of course you don't.

In your black & white conception, all scientists are atheists and all atheists are science-literate. This is demonstrably wrong.

Atheism means that you disbelieve in a deity. You are an atheist - to Allah. I'm atheist to both Allah and Jehovah.

I love nature, so I find science fascinating. I don't see it as related to atheism, other than a certain level of scientific knowledge means appreciating that most mythological claims are physically impossible.

No no, the theists claim - these were rare miracles!

No, Occam's Razor suggests that it's more likely that the writers of the Bible were speaking in metaphors or embellishing myths to make them easier to remember (a common practice before the printing press) than freakish suspensions of the laws of physics occurred. Remember, the writers of the Bible thought that some bacterial diseases were demonic possession, so that should be taken into account.

[Jacob10]

Atheistic philosophy and science is an impossibility because it doesn’t explain the psychological.

We have to remember that atheistic science freely admits that it doesn’t know what force cause it’s (mythical) single Big Bang and tries to explain its (mythical) Big Crunch with a still unknown force.

These are the facts.

Not very good is it?

Joshua, by "the psychological" I assume you refer to the hard problem of consciousness. You complain that science has not worked it out, but religion sure hasn't. Same applies with the universe's history.

All you can do is apply the God of the Gaps, a known logical fallacy.

I am referring to everything associated with the brain/mind interface including consciousness.This is where atheism is the weakest which is why it doesn’t understand consciousness.Atheism claims that the individual does not exist but this is a known fallacy.We know this by just one word,CONTROL.

You do realise that atheism and science are not the same? No, of course you don't.

In your black & white conception, all scientists are atheists and all atheists are science-literate. This is demonstrably wrong.

Atheism means that you disbelieve in a deity. You are an atheist - to Allah. I'm atheist to both Allah and Jehovah.

I love nature, so I find science fascinating. I don't see it as related to atheism, other than a certain level of scientific knowledge means appreciating that most mythological claims are physically impossible.

No no, the theists claim - these were rare miracles!

No, Occam's Razor suggests that it's more likely that the writers of the Bible were speaking in metaphors or embellishing myths to make them easier to remember (a common practice before the printing press) than freakish suspensions of the laws of physics occurred. Remember, the writers of the Bible thought that some bacterial diseases were demonic possession, so that should be taken into account.

Why bring religion into it Sy Borg?

Forget religion?

This has to do with sound philosophy;science and psychology.

Atheistic philosophy and science is unable to explain the psychological and consciousness because CONTROL is an essential element of it and atheism doesn’t believe that anything exists to be able to introduce that CONTROL which we know is total nonsense and I have explained why.Atheistic philosophy also claims that equal but opposite forces like electromagnetic forces have cancelled out but we know that that is utter nonsense as well.You need both these forces to explain the cosmos/ nature.

You have to accept that something exists to be able to introduce CONTROL Sy Borg or you will never understand consciousness.

I understand it.

[LuckyR]

Uummm... pretty much everyone has a functional working model that does the job.

Utter nonsense.

Mental health is at crisis point everywhere and all that atheism has to offer is let’s all pretend that as nobody exists then the mental health crisis must be an illusion?

Atheistic philosophy and science does not explain the psychological Belindi.

God is not an impossibility.

Common sense should tell you that Atheism is not going to pursue the correct philosophy and science.

Common sense. Right. Funny how some try to peddle the concept they have a special understanding of something that's supposed to be "common". You've definitely convinced yourself. How's it going on getting a quorum?

Oh and BTW, if in fact there's a mental health crisis "everywhere", since atheism (plus agnosticism) comprises about 6 to 7% of folks, I guess theism is responsible for 93% of the crisis and has 93% of the burden for fixing it. How's that going?

6 to 7% !! Well if you want believe that Belindi. It’s just another wild guess.Atheism is very good at that we know.We know all about its widely speculative and incorrect philosophy and science now which is based upon its foundation philosophical belief system which makes no connection whatsoever to sound science.

You need reassess what you mean by theism by the way.Mere belief in a God won’t help you at the end of the day Belindi.

How little you know about anything at all that really matters.

Wrong again, boyo. It's amusing to me that in the age where stats are just a click or two away, some prefer to rely on the seat of their pants, as their data source.

[Jacob10]

Utter nonsense.

Mental health is at crisis point everywhere and all that atheism has to offer is let’s all pretend that as nobody exists then the mental health crisis must be an illusion?

Atheistic philosophy and science does not explain the psychological Belindi.

God is not an impossibility.

Common sense should tell you that Atheism is not going to pursue the correct philosophy and science.

Common sense. Right. Funny how some try to peddle the concept they have a special understanding of something that's supposed to be "common". You've definitely convinced yourself. How's it going on getting a quorum?

Oh and BTW, if in fact there's a mental health crisis "everywhere", since atheism (plus agnosticism) comprises about 6 to 7% of folks, I guess theism is responsible for 93% of the crisis and has 93% of the burden for fixing it. How's that going?

6 to 7% !! Well if you want believe that Belindi. It’s just another wild guess.Atheism is very good at that we know.We know all about its widely speculative and incorrect philosophy and science now which is based upon its foundation philosophical belief system which makes no connection whatsoever to sound science.

You need reassess what you mean by theism by the way.Mere belief in a God won’t help you at the end of the day Belindi.

How little you know about anything at all that really matters.

Wrong again, boyo. It's amusing to me that in the age where stats are just a click or two away, some prefer to rely on the seat of their pants, as their data source.

I don’t relay on the seat of my pants LuckyR.

I rely on sound information that is tried and tested thoroughly via the “Player Science” approach.I don’t do observer science.I get involved in the game.

Belief is no different to Unbelief at the end of the day.

There is more to it than just belief.

[Jacob10]

Anyone can believe just as anyone can disbelieve, that much is easy.

[Jacob10]

When you start taking trying to take psychological control.That’s when the fun starts.

You know that you are in a war zone then.

[Jacob10]

The mistake atheism made was bringing it’s religious philosophy into science and then expecting it two work. In other words expecting the science that came from this philosophy to explain the psychological workings.

It doesn’t.

The workings of the cosmos mimic the workings of the physical brain (All sciences are interconnected).

In other words,just like within the brain there are multiple firings (big bangs) happening at varying timescales within the cosmos.Matter enters and exits from/into multiple holes at varying timescales

Having exited a hole matter hits the electromagnetic fields which causes the matter to start spinning as it rotates around the spinning hole.Electromagnetic N and S interactions continue just like they do between all the spinning holes..

So if all matter were to disappear into all the multiple holes then you would be left with multiple spinning holes within the electromagnetic fields that saturate the cosmos at both macro and micro levels.

When light (wave particles) disappear into a hole the light is unable to escape because of strong electromagnetic forces and not because of some man made unknown gravitational force that atheistic science has come up with.

You need two equal but opposite forces to explain the workings of the cosmos.

[Jacob10]

Atheistic philosophy and science WAS complete and utter nonsense which is why it failed.

[Sy Borg]

There is no such thing as "atheistic science". Ten or more percent of scientists believe in some kind of God. Joshua Jacob, are they doing atheistic science too? How can anyone take what you say seriously when you just make stuff like that up?

How can science be atheistic? Science just studies nature. While science has not found any evidence of any supernatural Biblical claims, but that's not a problem science. Science doesn't care. It (theoretically) only cares about what it real. If research uncovers new phenomena, great. If not? That's great too. Each finding, positive or negative, helps to provide clearer picture.

[Jacob10]

There is no such thing as "atheistic science". Ten or more percent of scientists believe in some kind of God. Joshua Jacob, are they doing atheistic science too? How can anyone take what you say seriously when you just make stuff like that up?

How can science be atheistic? Science just studies nature. While science has not found any evidence of any supernatural Biblical claims, but that's not a problem science. Science doesn't care. It (theoretically) only cares about what it real. If research uncovers new phenomena, great. If not? That's great too. Each finding, positive or negative, helps to provide clearer picture.

There you go again bringing mere religion into it Sy Borg.

Have you not been reading my posts?

Belief/Unbelief?

Of what use is mere Belief or Unbelief to anyone?

About as much use as failed atheistic philosophy and it’s science.

[Jacob10]

God is not an impossibility.God is a possibility.

[Sy Borg]

Forget it. Your posts are a waste of this forum's bandwidth.

[Jacob10]

Atheism shouldn’t have brought its philosophy into science because the science that is based upon this philosophy doesn’t work.

Science is not interested in an atheistic belief system and its corresponding philosophy.

Equal but opposite forces (electromagnetic) do not cancel out between any two spinning objects in the cosmos at either the macro or the micro levels.

I’m only interested in sound science, Sy Borg, not nonsense science.