Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑April 29th, 2023, 10:35 amThe utility of such an approach is that it kills the idea of transcendent entities.psycho wrote: ↑April 28th, 2023, 3:18 pm I understood that you interpreted that the information was just something abstract.I do not disagree with what you say here. But I do wonder about its usefulness?
For me, the physical representation of concepts in our brain IS the reality of a concept. It is the concept itself.
I interpret it inversely. Our thoughts do not change the electrochemical state of the brain. The electrochemical state of the brain ARE our thoughts.
Harry and Sherlock are conceptual constructs made up of matter and energy, in your brain.
The question change was not intentional but an attempt to understand something that I am not clear about. What does "information has no meaningful physicality" mean to you?
I don't see how information could be stored in a non-physical way and I don't see how information could be anything other than physical. What would be non-physical information (matter and energy)?
(I suppose it is unnecessary to clarify that I do not think that idealism is a good model of reality)
You seem to take a physicalist (small "p") view on things. You view information in terms of its (physical) storage, which I do not challenge or doubt. But I think that — practically and usefully — it is easier to think of information as a mental (non-physical) thing with which my mind juggles. This is what I mean by "information has no meaningful physicality".
I see Harry and Sherlock as characters that we access ('meet'? — 'get to know'?) by reading the books, or watching the films and TV.
It's not the storage of the information that matters all that much, IMO. Information is static (stored; remembered), and it is dynamic too, when we review what information we have, and examine how it interacts with other information we also have stored. In other words, information is dynamic in our thoughts; when we think about it, and when we use it. Perhaps this dynamism is the most significant attribute of information?
Nope. I don't see the information in terms of storage. I see it in the form of structures that represent other realities.
What I try to see is what is the difference between the structure of what is represented and the structure of what represents it.
The advantage of considering the information to be non-physical is not really apparent to me. What is that advantage?
From your point of view, what is information?
I assume that by dynamic you mean the continual refinement that humans make to their concepts.
I don't see the utility of information dynamics. Given a circumstance from which information is extracted, while the circumstance is stable, the information will be static. Any change in the information does not present a benefit if it does not correspond to what it represents. The change does not give an advantage. Fidelity gives an advantage.