Tegularius wrote: ↑April 5th, 2023, 9:33 pm
A deterministic world does not, in any way preclude options since the options available are themselves deterministic in their expected outcome.
They are still options deterministic or not.
If they were not deterministic then you could never make a useful choice, yet we make useful choices all the time, and it is the very fact that those choices are responses to antecedent facts about the prevailing conditions that make them useful and relevant.
Strawberry or chocolate. We chose chocolate because that decision is determined by our preference. We love chocolate so make that meaningful choice. If we are determined to try something new today we chose strawberry. That is determinedly free, unless someone is holding a gun at our heads telling us what to chose.
One chooses among the choices deemed most applicable to the situation...an everyday event. Determinism was never meant to exclude all such possibilities which, in themselves, operate, more or less, deterministically. If that were the case, the world would remain solidly frozen in a fixed paradigm where any deviation of an optionless future remains unincorporated and ineffective. Not least, determinism implies the existence of a creator, of intention based on purpose; remove purpose and intention disappears negating any conceptual Creator enforcing its own predesigned archetypes.
Determinism does not exclude anything. Each moment in time is a unique moment where causalities collide to make new effects. Only determinism can include everything. The claim of radical free will is a claim that we have a god-like perspective unaffected by who and what we are, unaffected by out volition and motivation, and unaffected by such things as needs desires and education.
But those that claim such a weird thing still cannot account for HOW they make a choice.
And despite asking several persons on this thread no one has begun to answer that question, because they have no account. They prefer to talk about morality "causing" (sic) to make a choice.