Sculptor1 wrote: ↑March 25th, 2023, 9:29 am
Bahman wrote: ↑March 25th, 2023, 8:43 am
Sculptor1 wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 11:54 am
Bahman wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 9:17 am
Cool. Now you get my point. I am challenging determinism here so I assume that determinism and choices are both true and show that there is a contradiction! Of course, I have my argument for options to be real as it is illustrated in OP and as it is discussed in several posts in this thread.
No I asked you two questions. You cannot infer from two questions that I "now get your point".
Please answer the questions so that we can get on with the discussion.
What I believe is not the subject of this thread. I am attacking determinism.
So you do not think the world is deterministic, yes?
I believe in a version of substance dualism where the mind, one of the substances, is necessary for change. The mind has the ability to decide when options are available.
Sculptor1 wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 11:54 am
And do choices exist?
Yes.
Sculptor1 wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 11:54 am
I assume you think they exist "freely" is some way.
SO why do you think a deterministic world could not have choices?
Because in a deterministic world (I already defined determinism in OP), only one outcome (one option) can exist so you could not have options.
Sculptor1 wrote: ↑March 24th, 2023, 11:54 am
How do you personally make a choice?
That is the ability of my mind which is an irreducible substance.