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[Sy Borg]

You are a very long way from being a credible arbiter of people's ignorance, given your own. I have no idea why you have taken a sharp left turn to talk about "Sensitivity", which is unrelated to the conversation.

There is only one deep perception of religion, and that is a recognition that humanity is not the be-all-and-end-all but a subset of larger edifices. The other "deep perceptions" are almost always just based on cultural norms, but elevated to divine status to better manipulate the masses.

"Sensitivity" very much related, if one calls many religious views as "Superstitions", as it is called as 'superstitions' only because of trust upon senses. It's a very huge topic to discuss, and I feel you won't go into it.

See, People are ignorant believing "Sensitivity". Don't know what to be given trust and what not, so ignorantly stand up against "Religions and it's views" as if they are All-knower.

I don't know what to Manipulate in this case. Why try to Manipulate? What religions try to cover up by manipulation?
You see, if People get power other than Religious, Society gets ruin. That's all it is. Drug addicts increase, Selfish Uncaring People increases, Uncontrollable Sexual Intercourse in Teenage with 'n' Number of Girlfriends and Boyfriends, People are let do whatever they want and never care about Society and act Irresponsible Manner. I think you won't deny the Dominance of these Drug related and Careless Behaviour upon Family and Country.

See, there is need of Fear to touch these things and arise of Careless attitude, and Religions (and it's so called 'superstitions') had maintained it properly, which the so called 'Freedom' or 'Athiest' behaviour fail to put in check. No way can these 'Athiest' can bring these things jn control, as the Drug addicts and Careless One's say "We have freedom to do whatever we want. The Government also never cares and makes dealings with Major Drug Dealers for Money and Power. Let the Government shall take action upon me, I never care. But, Who you are to ask me? Go **** yourself you Mother ****." What is your reply to them? But, Religious (and it's so called 'superstitions') has stronger reply to them and you might know all these.

Religions and Traditions, are all to Maintain society in holistic level, as well as to remind One that to not trust 'senses' and atleast to put down attachments to world at the time of Death.

The usual claim - without religion people behave badly.

In other words, you believe that the only way people can behave well is for them to believe in a phantasm imagined by goat herders in the Iron Age Middle East.

I don't do any of the things you are complaining about, and I'm not religious at all. How can you explain that? How can I possibly behave myself like a normal human being without believing in the fever dreams of antiquity?

What about actually having character? Having a moral core based on empathy and understanding? No, it is necessary to believe in patent bloody nonsense, at least according to you and some other theists.

[Viswa_01210]

You are a very long way from being a credible arbiter of people's ignorance, given your own. I have no idea why you have taken a sharp left turn to talk about "Sensitivity", which is unrelated to the conversation.

There is only one deep perception of religion, and that is a recognition that humanity is not the be-all-and-end-all but a subset of larger edifices. The other "deep perceptions" are almost always just based on cultural norms, but elevated to divine status to better manipulate the masses.

"Sensitivity" very much related, if one calls many religious views as "Superstitions", as it is called as 'superstitions' only because of trust upon senses. It's a very huge topic to discuss, and I feel you won't go into it.

See, People are ignorant believing "Sensitivity". Don't know what to be given trust and what not, so ignorantly stand up against "Religions and it's views" as if they are All-knower.

I don't know what to Manipulate in this case. Why try to Manipulate? What religions try to cover up by manipulation?
You see, if People get power other than Religious, Society gets ruin. That's all it is. Drug addicts increase, Selfish Uncaring People increases, Uncontrollable Sexual Intercourse in Teenage with 'n' Number of Girlfriends and Boyfriends, People are let do whatever they want and never care about Society and act Irresponsible Manner. I think you won't deny the Dominance of these Drug related and Careless Behaviour upon Family and Country.

See, there is need of Fear to touch these things and arise of Careless attitude, and Religions (and it's so called 'superstitions') had maintained it properly, which the so called 'Freedom' or 'Athiest' behaviour fail to put in check. No way can these 'Athiest' can bring these things jn control, as the Drug addicts and Careless One's say "We have freedom to do whatever we want. The Government also never cares and makes dealings with Major Drug Dealers for Money and Power. Let the Government shall take action upon me, I never care. But, Who you are to ask me? Go **** yourself you Mother ****." What is your reply to them? But, Religious (and it's so called 'superstitions') has stronger reply to them and you might know all these.

Religions and Traditions, are all to Maintain society in holistic level, as well as to remind One that to not trust 'senses' and atleast to put down attachments to world at the time of Death.

The usual claim - without religion people behave badly.

In other words, you believe that the only way people can behave well is for them to believe in a phantasm imagined by goat herders in the Iron Age Middle East.

I don't do any of the things you are complaining about, and I'm not religious at all. How can you explain that? How can I possibly behave myself like a normal human being without believing in the fever dreams of antiquity?

What about actually having character? Having a moral core based on empathy and understanding? No, it is necessary to believe in patent bloody nonsense, at least according to you and some other theists.

I accept you have much Fun sense. You are too funny.
Fun is what important, not empathy or moral core or Iron Age Middle East Nonsense, and you are having it much more than any which reflects in your Funny posts.

Fun is Actual Character.

[amieparson]

I think the idea of "God" is deeply personal and complex and can mean different things to different people.

[LuckyR]

I think the idea of "God" is deeply personal and complex and can mean different things to different people.

I don't disagree. What are your thoughts on the topic?

[Viswa_01210]

I think the idea of "God" is deeply personal and complex and can mean different things to different people.

How about
"God is Fun" "God is Hatred in the name of 'Fun'" "God is Drugs and Selfish and etc., in the name of 'Fun'"?

All these are Different things to different people as Deeply Personal. True?
Funny, isn't it?
I think I am quite learning what is Fun and how the Middle East Nonsense restricted and dominated People to think about God in Funny ways as "Life is Fun".

[Belindi]

You are a very long way from being a credible arbiter of people's ignorance, given your own. I have no idea why you have taken a sharp left turn to talk about "Sensitivity", which is unrelated to the conversation.

There is only one deep perception of religion, and that is a recognition that humanity is not the be-all-and-end-all but a subset of larger edifices. The other "deep perceptions" are almost always just based on cultural norms, but elevated to divine status to better manipulate the masses.

"Sensitivity" very much related, if one calls many religious views as "Superstitions", as it is called as 'superstitions' only because of trust upon senses. It's a very huge topic to discuss, and I feel you won't go into it.

See, People are ignorant believing "Sensitivity". Don't know what to be given trust and what not, so ignorantly stand up against "Religions and it's views" as if they are All-knower.

I don't know what to Manipulate in this case. Why try to Manipulate? What religions try to cover up by manipulation?
You see, if People get power other than Religious, Society gets ruin. That's all it is. Drug addicts increase, Selfish Uncaring People increases, Uncontrollable Sexual Intercourse in Teenage with 'n' Number of Girlfriends and Boyfriends, People are let do whatever they want and never care about Society and act Irresponsible Manner. I think you won't deny the Dominance of these Drug related and Careless Behaviour upon Family and Country.

See, there is need of Fear to touch these things and arise of Careless attitude, and Religions (and it's so called 'superstitions') had maintained it properly, which the so called 'Freedom' or 'Athiest' behaviour fail to put in check. No way can these 'Athiest' can bring these things jn control, as the Drug addicts and Careless One's say "We have freedom to do whatever we want. The Government also never cares and makes dealings with Major Drug Dealers for Money and Power. Let the Government shall take action upon me, I never care. But, Who you are to ask me? Go **** yourself you Mother ****." What is your reply to them? But, Religious (and it's so called 'superstitions') has stronger reply to them and you might know all these.

Religions and Traditions, are all to Maintain society in holistic level, as well as to remind One that to not trust 'senses' and atleast to put down attachments to world at the time of Death.

The usual claim - without religion people behave badly.

In other words, you believe that the only way people can behave well is for them to believe in a phantasm imagined by goat herders in the Iron Age Middle East.

I don't do any of the things you are complaining about, and I'm not religious at all. How can you explain that? How can I possibly behave myself like a normal human being without believing in the fever dreams of antiquity?

What about actually having character? Having a moral core based on empathy and understanding? No, it is necessary to believe in patent bloody nonsense, at least according to you and some other theists.

I accept you have much Fun sense. You are too funny.
Fun is what important, not empathy or moral core or Iron Age Middle East Nonsense, and you are having it much more than any which reflects in your Funny posts.

Fun is Actual Character.

Viswa chooses to accept God's authority to steer his "moral core", and presumably therefore would legislate that everyone accept God's moral authority to steer the "moral core " of the nation. We know what happened to Iran when its state became theocratic. We know what happened when Russia became subject to the religion of one party communism. We know Saudi Arabia is a theocracy.We know North Korea has a man-god for a ruler.

Viswa wrote "if People get power other than Religious, Society gets ruin. "
The above examples, and others from the stories of man's past show society gets ruin because there is an autocratic ruler or rulers who believes he/they have God's authority to rape, plunder, colonise, kill, torture, and oppress. Where I live, the UK there were kings who did those atrocities until the ruler ceased to be authenticated by God ( Divine Right of Kings). Similarly in the rest of Europe. There may happen to be a just king like Ashoka, but it's puerile to trust that would or could happen again.

[Sy Borg]

I think the idea of "God" is deeply personal and complex and can mean different things to different people.

How about
"God is Fun" "God is Hatred in the name of 'Fun'" "God is Drugs and Selfish and etc., in the name of 'Fun'"?

All these are Different things to different people as Deeply Personal. True?
Funny, isn't it? :lol:
I think I am quite learning what is Fun and how the Middle East Nonsense restricted and dominated People to think about God in Funny ways as "Life is Fun". :wink:

You are welcome to embrace Iron Age Middle Eastern superstition if you so wish, but it's delusional.

Likewise you are welcome to think of fun as passive aggressive sarcasm, but no one else thinks it's fun, rather just one more messed up thing to ignore.

[Viswa_01210]

"Sensitivity" very much related, if one calls many religious views as "Superstitions", as it is called as 'superstitions' only because of trust upon senses. It's a very huge topic to discuss, and I feel you won't go into it.

See, People are ignorant believing "Sensitivity". Don't know what to be given trust and what not, so ignorantly stand up against "Religions and it's views" as if they are All-knower.

I don't know what to Manipulate in this case. Why try to Manipulate? What religions try to cover up by manipulation?
You see, if People get power other than Religious, Society gets ruin. That's all it is. Drug addicts increase, Selfish Uncaring People increases, Uncontrollable Sexual Intercourse in Teenage with 'n' Number of Girlfriends and Boyfriends, People are let do whatever they want and never care about Society and act Irresponsible Manner. I think you won't deny the Dominance of these Drug related and Careless Behaviour upon Family and Country.

See, there is need of Fear to touch these things and arise of Careless attitude, and Religions (and it's so called 'superstitions') had maintained it properly, which the so called 'Freedom' or 'Athiest' behaviour fail to put in check. No way can these 'Athiest' can bring these things jn control, as the Drug addicts and Careless One's say "We have freedom to do whatever we want. The Government also never cares and makes dealings with Major Drug Dealers for Money and Power. Let the Government shall take action upon me, I never care. But, Who you are to ask me? Go **** yourself you Mother ****." What is your reply to them? But, Religious (and it's so called 'superstitions') has stronger reply to them and you might know all these.

Religions and Traditions, are all to Maintain society in holistic level, as well as to remind One that to not trust 'senses' and atleast to put down attachments to world at the time of Death.

The usual claim - without religion people behave badly.

In other words, you believe that the only way people can behave well is for them to believe in a phantasm imagined by goat herders in the Iron Age Middle East.

I don't do any of the things you are complaining about, and I'm not religious at all. How can you explain that? How can I possibly behave myself like a normal human being without believing in the fever dreams of antiquity?

What about actually having character? Having a moral core based on empathy and understanding? No, it is necessary to believe in patent bloody nonsense, at least according to you and some other theists.

I accept you have much Fun sense. You are too funny.
Fun is what important, not empathy or moral core or Iron Age Middle East Nonsense, and you are having it much more than any which reflects in your Funny posts.

Fun is Actual Character.

Viswa chooses to accept God's authority to steer his "moral core", and presumably therefore would legislate that everyone accept God's moral authority to steer the "moral core " of the nation. We know what happened to Iran when its state became theocratic. We know what happened when Russia became subject to the religion of one party communism. We know Saudi Arabia is a theocracy.We know North Korea has a man-god for a ruler.
Either Viswa is a bot , or he is a man indoctrinated with authoritarian religion.

You have to see the new thread I created, about Atheism, speaking the Evil Intentions of those who created Religion.

[Viswa_01210]

I think the idea of "God" is deeply personal and complex and can mean different things to different people.

How about
"God is Fun" "God is Hatred in the name of 'Fun'" "God is Drugs and Selfish and etc., in the name of 'Fun'"?

All these are Different things to different people as Deeply Personal. True?
Funny, isn't it?
I think I am quite learning what is Fun and how the Middle East Nonsense restricted and dominated People to think about God in Funny ways as "Life is Fun".

You are welcome to embrace Iron Age Middle Eastern superstition if you so wish, but it's delusional.

Likewise you are welcome to think of fun as passive aggressive sarcasm, but no one else thinks it's fun, rather just one more messed up thing to ignore.

Please read my New Thread. But, again, you are funny.

[Viswa_01210]

I think the idea of "God" is deeply personal and complex and can mean different things to different people.

How about
"God is Fun" "God is Hatred in the name of 'Fun'" "God is Drugs and Selfish and etc., in the name of 'Fun'"?

All these are Different things to different people as Deeply Personal. True?
Funny, isn't it?
I think I am quite learning what is Fun and how the Middle East Nonsense restricted and dominated People to think about God in Funny ways as "Life is Fun".

You are welcome to embrace Iron Age Middle Eastern superstition if you so wish, but it's delusional.

Likewise you are welcome to think of fun as passive aggressive sarcasm, but no one else thinks it's fun, rather just one more messed up thing to ignore.

You are an Eye-Opener for Me, Syborg and Belindi.
Just today I find out those "Dark side" of "those who created Religions", and True Meaning of Life.
Freedom, is Life, and they were very much "serious" showing hatred upon Fun.

[Belindi]

Fun is all right, Viswa, but fun is not always ethical.

[Viswa_01210]

Fun is all right, Viswa, but fun is not always ethical.

Okay, but who is to say which is Ethical which is not?
Then isn't it like curbing people from freedom to have fun, like those Egoistic Greedy Sages and Theism?

[Belindi]

Fun is all right, Viswa, but fun is not always ethical.

Okay, but who is to say which is Ethical which is not?
Then isn't it like curbing people from freedom to have fun, like those Egoistic Greedy Sages and Theism?

You and I and all responsible adults have a duty to decide what is right and what is wrong. If you hand over this responsibility to priests, a king, or a holy book then you have failed to be responsible.

[Viswa_01210]

Fun is all right, Viswa, but fun is not always ethical.

Okay, but who is to say which is Ethical which is not?
Then isn't it like curbing people from freedom to have fun, like those Egoistic Greedy Sages and Theism?

You and I and all responsible adults have a duty to decide what is right and what is wrong. If you hand over this responsibility to priests, a king, or a holy book then you have failed to be responsible.

Hand over to Compassionate Person who understands People and etc.
Even handing over to people, People only decide why their needs, but not what is Ethical. Not all People love whole Earth and Humanity and Ethical, and such Persons are more in Earth compared to those who opt Ethics.
I think you didn't understand the whole of Humanity needs yet, Only Hyena Behaviour is more even though what you might say that "Hyena too have Lion attitude inside". What reflects matter for running of World but not what one is capable of. The Capability is much as Myth, compared to the Practical Behaviour.

[Viswa_01210]

Fun is all right, Viswa, but fun is not always ethical.

Okay, but who is to say which is Ethical which is not?
Then isn't it like curbing people from freedom to have fun, like those Egoistic Greedy Sages and Theism?

You and I and all responsible adults have a duty to decide what is right and what is wrong. If you hand over this responsibility to priests, a king, or a holy book then you have failed to be responsible.

Hand over to Compassionate Person who understands People and etc.
Even handing over to people, People only decide why their needs, but not what is Ethical. Not all People love whole Earth and Humanity and Ethical, and such Persons are more in Earth compared to those who opt Ethics.
I think you didn't understand the whole of Humanity needs yet, Only Hyena Behaviour is more even though what you might say that "Hyena too have Lion attitude inside". What reflects matter for running of World but not what one is capable of. The Capability is much as Myth, compared to the Practical Behaviour.

When most of the people truly understood why is Ethical and decide Ethical, then one shall give them to decide. Until that point is reached in Earth, let decision be given to those who is Truly Ethical and Compassionate. If not, then practically what happens in Democracy, is most of the people who needs only what they want but not Ethical, choose that and World runs accordingly and Ethics and Ethical people are never cared as they are very low compared to them (them - those who never mind ethical but only to satisfy their needs, and they are more and their majority votes taken into account in democracy).