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[Viswa_01210]

What is the purpose of Religion, Theism, Myth?

A. To Live safe and secured and achieve desires of life by attaching to world.

B. Just words of Fools or "No/Less Brainer". Uncompassionate Maniac's sayings.

C. To make one detach from world, end one's suffering truly whatever level it shall be, and attain True Peace. To not seek this Universe which is expanding, and returns to the starting point one day from where it expanded, showing it's limitations.

What do you feel, and why?

And also what is the purpose of Life-Limitations?

[Stoppelmann]

What is the purpose of Religion, Theism, Myth?

Religion describes a human beings’ relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, absolute, spiritual, divine, or worthy of especial reverence. This is something which many people still observe in a manner that is often not obvious to them, but in the understanding that they are not religious.

Theism is the view that all limited or finite things are dependent in some way on one supreme, underlying or ultimate reality, which allows one to speak in personal terms of it and often to it. There are various forms of theism, Monotheism, Polytheism, Pantheism, Panentheism, Henotheism, Deism, the choice of which depends on the underlying mythological or symbolic portrayal of reality.

Myth is a symbolic narrative, usually of ancient or unknown origin and at least partly incorporated in traditional enactment and other rituals, and that is especially associated with religious belief. Myth is not so much a story of what happened, but what is always happening, therefore it employs archetypes, metaphors, and allegories. In this, myths stand in relation to other narrative forms, such as fables, fairy tales, folktales, sagas and epics, legends, and parables.

And also what is the purpose of Life-Limitations?

If by limitations in life you mean self-discipline, it is usually to avoid the distractions and consequent impairment of potential to which (especially) modern life tends. The consumerist attitude suggests, above all, that you can have everything now if you only have the money, and that acquiring it is the meaning of life.

Age-old traditions and human experience have shown that this is erroneous and robs people of their true potential. These traditions offer a course of action by which one can focus on realising the potential for good that we all have, but mostly do not realise.

[Viswa_01210]

What is the purpose of Religion, Theism, Myth?

Religion describes a human beings’ relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, absolute, spiritual, divine, or worthy of especial reverence. This is something which many people still observe in a manner that is often not obvious to them, but in the understanding that they are not religious.

Theism is the view that all limited or finite things are dependent in some way on one supreme, underlying or ultimate reality, which allows one to speak in personal terms of it and often to it. There are various forms of theism, Monotheism, Polytheism, Pantheism, Panentheism, Henotheism, Deism, the choice of which depends on the underlying mythological or symbolic portrayal of reality.

Myth is a symbolic narrative, usually of ancient or unknown origin and at least partly incorporated in traditional enactment and other rituals, and that is especially associated with religious belief. Myth is not so much a story of what happened, but what is always happening, therefore it employs archetypes, metaphors, and allegories. In this, myths stand in relation to other narrative forms, such as fables, fairy tales, folktales, sagas and epics, legends, and parables.

Thanks Stoppelmann, you beautifully expressed it's individual meanings and upbringing.

And also what is the purpose of Life-Limitations?

If by limitations in life you mean self-discipline, it is usually to avoid the distractions and consequent impairment of potential to which (especially) modern life tends. The consumerist attitude suggests, above all, that you can have everything now if you only have the money, and that acquiring it is the meaning of life.

By Limitations, I meant, Life itself. Just 100-120 years but not 1 billion or infinite years. But, even in self-discipline, I feel no achievement can buy one Long-Lasting Peace and Happiness. Whatever potential the modernity shall unleash or Humanity is capable of, it cannot end the true issue for which one seeks such potential. The potential, however tremendous it shall be, like reducing to Ant-Man or Jumping from One Universe to another in Multiverse like America Chavez (it's also mentioned in Vedic as Siddhi powers, were Ant-Man is nothing but power of 'Anima'), it cannot bring the issue to an End, but possibility of make one to become as Evil Khan.

Age-old traditions and human experience have shown that this is erroneous and robs people of their true potential. These traditions offer a course of action by which one can focus on realising the potential for good that we all have, but mostly do not realise.

True Potential? So, you want to be like Evil Khan or like Thanos to know the true potential of Six Infinite Stones? Why you need such potential? To solve what issue Humans need such potential? What is the dissatisfaction of normal human life people hate, and want to solve it with such potential?

[Viswa_01210]

Age-old traditions and human experience have shown that this is erroneous and robs people of their true potential. These traditions offer a course of action by which one can focus on realising the potential for good that we all have, but mostly do not realise.

I feel that, age-old religious traditions is not about realising the potential of Good.
See, there are three kind of People,
1. Less Selfish (Mostly Good).
2. Partial Selfish (Good and Bad)
3. Too Selfish (Mostly Bad)

What the religions say is not suitable for the 3rd. The 3rd won't spend time to hear that these religions speak, but only to do whatever they want, like Punk people who never cares of others but only themselves.

What the religious traditions say about way of Life, is not suitable to be known by 1st One too, as that 1 is already suffering of Limitations and willing to understand like Rama, Buddha (Siddartha), Vivekananda (Narendra) etc., and only a Right Guru who well-known of Deep religious scriptures like Vedanta, etc., is suitable to be known by them. But, they have to learn the Religious Traditions to follow it without attachment, as being a Role-Model for the 2nd type.

Now, coming to the 2nd type, these 2nd type of person is the one to be taught about Religious Traditions to follow them without questions. Because, they are in a very danger situation, and possibility of slipping to 3rd type if they keep on questioning these. Only the 1st type is suitable for questioning Traditions but not 2nd (3rd never cares about traditions ).

And what is taught to the 2nd type, is not about the potential of Good, but to try to be Good so that they can come to the 1st type. The 2nd type, who is Rajas kind, have much desires to fulfill, so if it in a traditional way, it shall not make one fall to 3rd type to be more selfish, but to upgrade to 1st type, Satvic. It is necessary for those 2nd type to follow without questions, because the 3rd type try to illusionize the 2nd type, to make them question and create them more Egoistic like them.

So, the difference to find whether one is 1st type (questioning phase) or 2nd type (follower phase), is based on desires. If one has desires to live, then be a follower as a 2nd type to not fall to 3rd type. If one is not satisfied with desires but only seeing sufferings within all human and living beings because of Limitations of Life, then one is a 1st type and apt to question these.

If one with desires of world, questions traditional ways, then their questions not only increase Ego of their desires to live, but also let those 3rd type to roam freely like those Punk drug addict people never caring Society.

I say this only out of love. Hope you understand it.

[Stoppelmann]

By Limitations, I meant, Life itself. Just 100-120 years but not 1 billion or infinite years. But, even in self-discipline, I feel no achievement can buy one Long-Lasting Peace and Happiness. Whatever potential the modernity shall unleash or Humanity is capable of, it cannot end the true issue for which one seeks such potential. The potential, however tremendous it shall be, like reducing to Ant-Man or Jumping from One Universe to another in Multiverse like America Chavez (it's also mentioned in Vedic as Siddhi powers, were Ant-Man is nothing but power of 'Anima'), it cannot bring the issue to an End, but possibility of make one to become as Evil Khan.

The first observation one has to make is that everything is limited, and this is, despite its obvious restrictions, a good thing, because not only good things but also bad things pass. It is also because limitations provide a certain suspense and excitement, which enlivens us. You also see the tension between Ying and Yang, which invigorates existence.

Self-discipline, like I said, enables us to focus on important issues, which are conducive to health and essentially reduces the decrease in years that an undisciplined life causes. A healthy body and healthy mind has long been the goal of traditions that promote self-discipline, and mindfulness manages to extract the pleasure of life in less, rather than more things. It has been shown by many examples how a simple life unburdens us, and even a full cellar or loft can cause a muddled mind, which a good sorting out can relieve. The influence of our surroundings is often underestimated and often to our disadvantage.

I think your examples show that you are more concerned with fantasy images than with things that are basic to life, and so you fail to bring your imagination to deal with these fundamental things. This is a typical distraction and is a disadvantage when coping with what modernity might “unleash,” as you said.

Our true potential lies in harmonising with nature, and understanding how to enhance it with our awareness. We seem to be an exception in that we, of all the living creatures, are self-aware, able to analyse and imagine that which is not. Therefore we have an advantage that could warrant understanding ourselves as stewards of the planet, which is what many traditions suggest. However, to do that, we need to follow principles, such as the three maxims inscribed in the forecourt of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi: "Know thyself," "nothing to excess," and "certainty brings ruin."

There are, of course, other aphorisms in other traditions that you could use, like the various versions of the golden rule, which seems to have originated with Confucius. There are enough to draw from.

[Stoppelmann]

I feel that, age-old religious traditions is not about realising the potential of Good.
See, there are three kind of People,
1. Less Selfish (Mostly Good).
2. Partial Selfish (Good and Bad)
3. Too Selfish (Mostly Bad)

What the religions say is not suitable for the 3rd. The 3rd won't spend time to hear that these religions speak, but only to do whatever they want, like Punk people who never cares of others but only themselves.

You seem to take things and people by their appearances, rather than understanding that, in particular, people are very complex, and appearances deceive us. The degree of selfishness in a person tends to vary depending on the issue at hand. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn famously said, “If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”

It is strange that we often fail to show that we understand this, despite ourselves being prime examples of what he said, even if “evil” is perhaps a terminology we wouldn’t use for ourselves.

[Viswa_01210]

I feel that, age-old religious traditions is not about realising the potential of Good.
See, there are three kind of People,
1. Less Selfish (Mostly Good).
2. Partial Selfish (Good and Bad)
3. Too Selfish (Mostly Bad)

What the religions say is not suitable for the 3rd. The 3rd won't spend time to hear that these religions speak, but only to do whatever they want, like Punk people who never cares of others but only themselves.

You seem to take things and people by their appearances, rather than understanding that, in particular, people are very complex, and appearances deceive us. The degree of selfishness in a person tends to vary depending on the issue at hand. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn famously said, “If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”

It is strange that we often fail to show that we understand this, despite ourselves being prime examples of what he said, even if “evil” is perhaps a terminology we wouldn’t use for ourselves.

I use. I'm ready to call myself as Death. If one wants me to call Satan, I have no issues with it. I see, Satan is not responsible for any Evil but only one's Ego-Desires and Karma.

I'm ready to pierce that heart of myself too, and that's what destroying the desires of life. The core of Life, is the heart, and ready to forsake it to understand truth.

But, you see, now who takes those words of Alexandr Blah Blah Blah. Do you know his character, his way of living? Did he achieved Peace in Life? Did he really attained tremendous happiness and satisfaction in life?
If not, why to hear his words as True Nature of Humans?

[Stoppelmann]

But, you see, now who takes those words of Alexandr Blah Blah Blah. Do you know his character, his way of living? Did he achieved Peace in Life? Did he really attained tremendous happiness and satisfaction in life?
If not, why to hear his words as True Nature of Humans?

Rather him than you!

[Viswa_01210]

By Limitations, I meant, Life itself. Just 100-120 years but not 1 billion or infinite years. But, even in self-discipline, I feel no achievement can buy one Long-Lasting Peace and Happiness. Whatever potential the modernity shall unleash or Humanity is capable of, it cannot end the true issue for which one seeks such potential. The potential, however tremendous it shall be, like reducing to Ant-Man or Jumping from One Universe to another in Multiverse like America Chavez (it's also mentioned in Vedic as Siddhi powers, were Ant-Man is nothing but power of 'Anima'), it cannot bring the issue to an End, but possibility of make one to become as Evil Khan.

The first observation one has to make is that everything is limited, and this is, despite its obvious restrictions, a good thing, because not only good things but also bad things pass. It is also because limitations provide a certain suspense and excitement, which enlivens us. You also see the tension between Ying and Yang, which invigorates existence.

Self-discipline, like I said, enables us to focus on important issues, which are conducive to health and essentially reduces the decrease in years that an undisciplined life causes. A healthy body and healthy mind has long been the goal of traditions that promote self-discipline, and mindfulness manages to extract the pleasure of life in less, rather than more things. It has been shown by many examples how a simple life unburdens us, and even a full cellar or loft can cause a muddled mind, which a good sorting out can relieve. The influence of our surroundings is often underestimated and often to our disadvantage.

I think your examples show that you are more concerned with fantasy images than with things that are basic to life, and so you fail to bring your imagination to deal with these fundamental things. This is a typical distraction and is a disadvantage when coping with what modernity might “unleash,” as you said.

Our true potential lies in harmonising with nature, and understanding how to enhance it with our awareness. We seem to be an exception in that we, of all the living creatures, are self-aware, able to analyse and imagine that which is not. Therefore we have an advantage that could warrant understanding ourselves as stewards of the planet, which is what many traditions suggest. However, to do that, we need to follow principles, such as the three maxims inscribed in the forecourt of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi: "Know thyself," "nothing to excess," and "certainty brings ruin."

There are, of course, other aphorisms in other traditions that you could use, like the various versions of the golden rule, which seems to have originated with Confucius. There are enough to draw from.

You know, about this Good and Bad? Do you feel you're mind can be at Good by watching the sufferings of Human and living beings in every cornor of the world, suffering because of Economy, etc.?
When you brought the word "potential", I thought you speak about only those fantasies, which is what the scientists upto. Scientists are not upto to find a way to live with nature, but use to satisfy needs like "Eureka Eureka Eureka". It's only to come out of flying colours many scientists try to research, but not for living with nature and maintain Peace. Only Activists are upto that, but no Scientists.
So, now you speak of Activist way. Right? To be in line with Nature. So, then first we throw away Petrol, Diesel, Lithium. No transportation with vehicles, maybe by walk or by riding horse. All pollution causing things including Mobile Towers, etc. Then after throwing away them, then let we come up to a place (like those Monk and Sages Gathered) and speak about what to do next. But, is one ready to throw away all those for the sake of living with Nature?
Is one okay to forgo their needs to reduce time, for sake of harmonizing with Nature?

[Viswa_01210]

But, you see, now who takes those words of Alexandr Blah Blah Blah. Do you know his character, his way of living? Did he achieved Peace in Life? Did he really attained tremendous happiness and satisfaction in life?
If not, why to hear his words as True Nature of Humans?

Rather him than you!

Even now you are only taking my words and coming to a conclusion without knowing my character and behaviour of daily life.
now again, who is taking things just of appearance of words but not one's whole life?

[Viswa_01210]

By Limitations, I meant, Life itself. Just 100-120 years but not 1 billion or infinite years. But, even in self-discipline, I feel no achievement can buy one Long-Lasting Peace and Happiness. Whatever potential the modernity shall unleash or Humanity is capable of, it cannot end the true issue for which one seeks such potential. The potential, however tremendous it shall be, like reducing to Ant-Man or Jumping from One Universe to another in Multiverse like America Chavez (it's also mentioned in Vedic as Siddhi powers, were Ant-Man is nothing but power of 'Anima'), it cannot bring the issue to an End, but possibility of make one to become as Evil Khan.

The first observation one has to make is that everything is limited, and this is, despite its obvious restrictions, a good thing, because not only good things but also bad things pass. It is also because limitations provide a certain suspense and excitement, which enlivens us. You also see the tension between Ying and Yang, which invigorates existence.

Self-discipline, like I said, enables us to focus on important issues, which are conducive to health and essentially reduces the decrease in years that an undisciplined life causes. A healthy body and healthy mind has long been the goal of traditions that promote self-discipline, and mindfulness manages to extract the pleasure of life in less, rather than more things. It has been shown by many examples how a simple life unburdens us, and even a full cellar or loft can cause a muddled mind, which a good sorting out can relieve. The influence of our surroundings is often underestimated and often to our disadvantage.

I think your examples show that you are more concerned with fantasy images than with things that are basic to life, and so you fail to bring your imagination to deal with these fundamental things. This is a typical distraction and is a disadvantage when coping with what modernity might “unleash,” as you said.

Our true potential lies in harmonising with nature, and understanding how to enhance it with our awareness. We seem to be an exception in that we, of all the living creatures, are self-aware, able to analyse and imagine that which is not. Therefore we have an advantage that could warrant understanding ourselves as stewards of the planet, which is what many traditions suggest. However, to do that, we need to follow principles, such as the three maxims inscribed in the forecourt of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi: "Know thyself," "nothing to excess," and "certainty brings ruin."

There are, of course, other aphorisms in other traditions that you could use, like the various versions of the golden rule, which seems to have originated with Confucius. There are enough to draw from.

Also, when you said about Suspence and Excitement, do you feel that excitement is like a Witch disguised by holding an Apple, or Excitement has no "Yin factor"? Are you ready to see the Yin factor in Excitement and Suspence too? It's selfish too, and one has to balance it. Every desires and action and excitement and Suspence and whatever name you want to call, has both Yin and Yang. This Yin and Yang, is of Taiji (Limitations). What the Chinese meant was to not fall to the Pleasure of Yang and Suffer of Yin, but balance it and surpass to reach Wuji. Isn't it? Like to know about Wuji?

[Stoppelmann]

Even now you are only taking my words and coming to a conclusion without knowing my character and behaviour of daily life.
now again, who is taking things just of appearance of words but not one's whole life?

The Gulag Archipelago is a book in three volumes that has at least 1800 pages, and volumes that have studied his work have at least 3000 pages.

These make more sense than what you have presented me in far less words.

I don't know your character, but that is also what I'm not here to do.

[Viswa_01210]

Even now you are only taking my words and coming to a conclusion without knowing my character and behaviour of daily life.
now again, who is taking things just of appearance of words but not one's whole life?

The Gulag Archipelago is a book in three volumes that has at least 1800 pages, and volumes that have studied his work have at least 3000 pages.

These make more sense than what you have presented me in far less words.

I don't know your character, but that is also what I'm not here to do.

I just now read few extracts from that book. Is he more hatred towards Ideology?
Do you feel Ideology is cause of Evil, or People themselves?

[Viswa_01210]

Even now you are only taking my words and coming to a conclusion without knowing my character and behaviour of daily life.
now again, who is taking things just of appearance of words but not one's whole life?

The Gulag Archipelago is a book in three volumes that has at least 1800 pages, and volumes that have studied his work have at least 3000 pages.

These make more sense than what you have presented me in far less words.

I don't know your character, but that is also what I'm not here to do.

There was True Saints in Religions who never harmed others, even in midst of those evil-doers.
If Ideology is the protection and cause of such evil-growth, then those Saints should have been evil too. But History and even now, it don't show that way. There was Compassionate people too who never harm even while very strong with Ideology. You know that there is no need of showing Examples for that.

So, I ask again, Do you feel Ideas are the problem, but People's Ego to attain Power and Dominance?

[Pattern-chaser]

What is the purpose of Religion, Theism, Myth?

Doesn't religion simply offer moral guidelines, aims, and maybe even purpose, in life?