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[Consul]

An English folk song musically arranged by Gustav Holst:

I love my love

Abroad as I was walking, one evening in the spring,
I heard a maid in Bedlam so sweetly for to sing;
Her chains she rattled with her hands,
And thus replied she:

"I love my love because I know my love loves me!"

O cruel were his parents who sent my love to sea,
And cruel was the ship that bore my love from me;
Yet I love his parents since they're his although
They've ruined me:

"I love my love because I know my love loves me!"

With straw I'll weave a garland,
I'll weave it very fine;
With roses, lilies, daisies,
I'll mix the eglantine;
And I'll present it to my love
When he returns from sea.

"For I love my love, because I know my love loves me."

Just as she sat there weeping,
Her love he came on land.
Then hearing she was in Bedlam,
He ran straight out of hand.
He flew into her snow-white arms,
And thus replied he:

"I love my love, because I know my love loves me."

She said: "My love don't frighten me;
Are you my love or no?"
"O yes, my dearest Nancy,
I am your love, also I am return'd to
Make amends for all your injury;
I love my love because I know my love loves me."

So now these two are married,
And happy may they be like turtle
Doves togheter, in love and unity.
All pretty maids with patience wait
That have got loves at sea;

"I love my love because I know my love loves me."

[Sy Borg]

I retain my liking for heavy rock — Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin, in my day! 😉 — but metal goes too far. All the individual noises have so many other noises surrounding them that the result has no space left in it. Everything is louder than everything else, then they turn it up. From now on, my closest approach to metal is Punishment of Luxury's Laughing Academy (which is probably heavy rock, not metal anyway).

I feel much the same way. The only metal band I ever liked was Black Sabbath.

I always called Sabbuff heavy rock. When they started, I don't think the terms 'metal' or 'heavy metal' had been adapted for use in music. But no matter. I do remember enjoying Sabbuff's 'Paranoid', soon before I heard DP for the first time. Good times! 🙂

Yes, though for a while Sabs, Purple and Zep were all considered to be heavy metal for a short time and I was a "heavy metal fan". Zep and Purple diversified but Sabs just got heavier. Looking back there's many roots of prog rock in those three - Sleeping Village by Sabbath, Child in Time by Purple and How Many More Times all featured distinct sections, with time and tempo changes. Each had one drum solo instrumental with an animal in the title - Rat Salad, The Mule and Moby Dick respectively.

When I was playing with bands, people often tried to get me to do a drum solo but I always refused. I didn't like long drum solos without accompaniment. Guitarists, keyboardists, horn players and even bassists all had musical accompaniment when they soloed. They were still playing music. I found it naff that the music would be put on hold for a while for a brief percussive circus act, and then it would resume. I suppose it's valid in terms of providing a variety act, but ...

There is one unaccompanied drum solo I enjoy, by jazz drummer Herlin Riley, which I found sonically and musically satisfying, not just a show of chops. Herlin's musicality, groove and respect for space shines through in this solo:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFvgCtomkqE



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...for a while Sabs, Purple and Zep were all considered to be heavy metal for a short time and I was a "heavy metal fan".

I always thought of Motorhead as the first heavy metal band, and the above as heavy rock; that's what me and my friends called them, and I think we got our vocabulary from the New Musical Express (NME). Ah, the NME, with some amazing journalists, long gone now, I assume. I bought Patti Smith's Horses after Charles Shaar Murray proclaimed it the 'album of the decade' in his NME review.

Looking back there's many roots of prog rock in those three - Sleeping Village by Sabbath, Child in Time by Purple and How Many More Times all featured distinct sections, with time and tempo changes.

Hadn't thought of it like that. Interesting...

When I was playing with bands, people often tried to get me to do a drum solo but I always refused. I didn't like long drum solos without accompaniment. Guitarists, keyboardists, horn players and even bassists all had musical accompaniment when they soloed. They were still playing music. I found it naff that the music would be put on hold for a while for a brief percussive circus act, and then it would resume.

I've always enjoyed a good drum solo. I'm a bit surprised you don't seem to see drums as musical instruments, especially as you seem to say you were once a drummer? The Ian Paice drum solo from The Mule off Made in Japan is excellent. There are others, but good ones are not all that common. As you say, in the years when a drum solo was de rigueur, many of them were less than enthralling!

[Consul]

The Planets is a seven-movement orchestral suite by the English composer Gustav Holst, composed between 1914 and 1917. It is not film music itself, but it is an influential prototype of film music such as John Williams' music for Star Wars.

Here's the recording featuring Herbert von Karajan & The Berlin Philharmonic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB8F852 ... Kc_hf4DtVp

[Sy Borg]

...for a while Sabs, Purple and Zep were all considered to be heavy metal for a short time and I was a "heavy metal fan".

I always thought of Motorhead as the first heavy metal band, and the above as heavy rock; that's what me and my friends called them, and I think we got our vocabulary from the New Musical Express (NME). Ah, the NME, with some amazing journalists, long gone now, I assume. I bought Patti Smith's Horses after Charles Shaar Murray proclaimed it the 'album of the decade' in his NME review. 🙂👍

That's already gone past me. I cannot stand Motorhead, Slayer or anything remotely like thrash. I am simply too old :lol:

When I was playing with bands, people often tried to get me to do a drum solo but I always refused. I didn't like long drum solos without accompaniment. Guitarists, keyboardists, horn players and even bassists all had musical accompaniment when they soloed. They were still playing music. I found it naff that the music would be put on hold for a while for a brief percussive circus act, and then it would resume.

I've always enjoyed a good drum solo. I'm a bit surprised you don't seem to see drums as musical instruments, especially as you seem to say you were once a drummer? The Ian Paice drum solo from The Mule off Made in Japan is excellent. There are others, but good ones are not all that common. As you say, in the years when a drum solo was de rigueur, many of them were less than enthralling!

Drum solos can be music, or they can be a show of chops, a "Look at what I've been practising!" display. Drums are music, sure, but they are largely amelodic. Still, I prefer unaccompanied drum solos to be short and rhythmical rather than long and sprawling :)

[Papus79]

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I am simply too old

You're pretty close to my age, which would make you ... optimally old.

[Papus79]

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[Sy Borg]

Whenever I see a drummer behind a tiny kit - just bass, snare, hats, cymbal and maybe one tom - they are invariably excellent.

[Sy Borg]

I am simply too old :lol:

You're pretty close to my age, which would make you ... optimally old. 🙂

I'm looking in my little black book
To see if I was right or rongwrong
Between the lines on the tattered pages
My spiderly writing inclines.

I'm old before my time
I feel that I'm growing out of this world
But with the world at my ears
I guess it's true there's no tears, no tears.

When things get bad I can always turn into a cloud then
I'll drift back home if the wind will blow me there ...

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To quote from the YouTube 'posting':

One of my favourite songs by one of my favourite unjustly neglected bands of the post punk era.

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And another neglected gem:

[Papus79]

A Fishbone cover of 'Them Bones' by Alice In Chains that I forgot to post before, really like the way they merge their own style with it (Fishbone's a really fun band to begin with).

[Papus79]