Nick_A wrote: ↑October 18th, 2022, 4:15 pm
You believe in a man made interpretation of God
The rules that constitute our moral theory are necessarily man-transmitted, as they can only be expressed to us in a natural, human language.
I believe that the prophets received a copy of the keys needed to decrypt our biological firmware and to transmit to us what we are capable of understanding about it. This prophetic transmission constitute the core rules of our moral theory.
In other words, the Bible and the Quran are largely already encoded inside our biological firmware. The prophets received detailed instructions and guidance en provenance from the Almighty to extract parts of this firmware and reveal it to us.
This summary of our biological firmware constitutes a fragment of the theory that defines humanity. We are supposed to use our moral theory to evaluate moral propositions in terms of good or evil.
By the way, the truth is always an interpretation, i.e. a model, of a theory.
A true proposition successfully binds its non-logical symbols to an n-tuple of values as such that it that satisfies the requirements imposed by the theory. Such n-tuple is a true fact in the universe that interprets its theory. This is the very definition of the term "interpretation". Truth does not even exist without interpretation.
Nick_A wrote: ↑October 18th, 2022, 4:15 pm
telling you what to do that justifies blind belief
Pure reason, i.e. in Kant's lingo, synthetic statements a priori, is defined as being "blind". Only perfectly blind reason is pure.
Read Kant's critique of pure reason, if you want to understand the details of why purity is so important. Without pure reason, you will not be able to understand the true nature of anything.
Nick_A wrote: ↑October 18th, 2022, 4:15 pm
and dying for.
If need be, I am willing to die for my honor, my dignity, and my self-respect. It is our biological firmware that encourages us to do that.
Nick_A wrote: ↑October 18th, 2022, 4:15 pm
I support awakening to the eternal value of conscience revealing Man's objective purpose.
Where is all of that documented and properly defined? I am personally not interested in "awakening" to such undocumented theory.
Common to all types is the anthropomorphic character of their conception of God.
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But there is a third stage of religious experience which belongs to all of them, even though it is rarely found in a pure form: I shall call it cosmic religious feeling. It is very difficult to elucidate this feeling to anyone who is entirely without it, especially as there is no anthropomorphic conception of God corresponding to it.
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-- Albert Einstein, Religion and Science, NY Times, November 9, 1930.
The Almighty Lord is All-Knowing. He is obviously not a human, because that idea would simply be circular.
I personally use Alfred Tarski's notion of convention T to understand how all-knowing-ness works.
According to Tarski's undefinability theorem, the truth is undefinable in the object system (our universe}. However, the truth about the object system is effectively definable in a carefully crafted meta system.
Hence, the All-Knowing Lord has a copy of two keys, i.e. two theories -- of both heaven and earth -- i.e. the ToE and the MToE. The Quran explicitly confirms this view.
Nick_A wrote: ↑October 18th, 2022, 4:15 pm
IMO you represent the worst of blind believers willing to kill others with their morality completely oblivious of the cosmic religious feeling revealing the purpose of religion and the path to freedom as opposed to justifying egoism.
Within the framework imposed by God's law, my own interests always come first.
Hence, the core question is ever:
What's in it for me?
If you want something from me, then make sure that I get something from you.
Seriously, why do you want something for nothing?
Do you really believe that I am going to go along with that? So, what are you bringing to the table? If it is not a good deal, I am not going to do it. In that case, ask another sucker.
Quran, Al Baqarah, Verse: 275 wrote:
Allah has permitted trade but forbidden usury (riba).