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[Sy Borg]

Jacob, you refute ideas with enormous evidence without proof and your claims also lack proof. That's not philosophy, it's preaching, and it's against forum rules. It is naive to expect people just to believe your crackpot notions without evidence.

[Joshua10]

Jacob, you refute ideas with enormous evidence without proof and your claims also lack proof. That's not philosophy, it's preaching, and it's against forum rules. It is naive to expect people just to believe your crackpot notions without evidence.

I have given evidence Sy Borg,the magnetic forces in nature DO NOT cancel out as atheistic science claims,they only produce vibratory balance as a result of alternating. +/- forces.You claim there is no God or Devil do you not? That is preaching is it not? If not, why not? Provide the definite proof for your claims or you are just hypocrite are you not?

[Joshua10]

It is impossible to cancel out NATURES 4 off magnetic force interactions as you well know already.

So what do we have left? A mythical God/Devil or a mythical force…..??

[Greatest I am]

Er, it is not my question but the thread topic. I personally find it a silly question, but ideally threads consist of conversation about the topic rather than people endlessly repeating their unrelated pet claims.

I would suggest that you find it a silly question because of your extremist view that there is no God even though you have no definitive proof to confirm this.Therfore,If there is a God, that would mean you are siding with the devil would it not?

Reverse onus.

It is to those who make a positive claim of a God to prove their case. It is not to those who will not believe in a thing without facts to prove a reality.

That aside. the Gods on offer are garbage, so it is easy to see why God does not show his evil face.

Regards
DL

I would suggest that you have missed the point.Your starting point for your philosophy and science I would suggest is always that there is no God or Devil because there is no definitive proof.You therefore always assume, I would suggest, that ABSOLUTE good and bad forces are the same because there are no absolute forces.I would suggest that you then assume that nature agrees with you and adopts thus logic.I would suggest not.Natures forces certainly do not cancel out they only produce vibratory balance.You need a separate alternating + and - on both sides of your philosophical reasoning dualistic fence AND in nature to obtain that balance because it is not possible to nullify these different and separated forces of nature.They only react or repel.Nature provides the DEFINITIVE proof you are looking for with its 4 off magnetic force interactions NN,SN,NS,SS.

I wouid suggest that as your science is flawed then your philosophy is flawed as well because I would suggest that all NATURES sciences are connected and adopt the same logic which as I keep suggesting is full logic philosophy and science and not atheistic half logic philosophy and science.

I have suggested an alternative philosophy and science that makes sense and is based upon electromechanical processes and known forces which is not interested in belief systems one way or the other so that you can believe what you wish in HOPE which is all anyone has because GREY is not good enough one way or the other.

Personally,I’m not remotely interested in mythical forces, I only go off the FACTS.

Lost me.

Was this agreeing on reverse onus, or was it all meant for another question?

Regards
DL

[Joshua10]

I would suggest that you find it a silly question because of your extremist view that there is no God even though you have no definitive proof to confirm this.Therfore,If there is a God, that would mean you are siding with the devil would it not?

Reverse onus.

It is to those who make a positive claim of a God to prove their case. It is not to those who will not believe in a thing without facts to prove a reality.

That aside. the Gods on offer are garbage, so it is easy to see why God does not show his evil face.

Regards
DL

I would suggest that you have missed the point.Your starting point for your philosophy and science I would suggest is always that there is no God or Devil because there is no definitive proof.You therefore always assume, I would suggest, that ABSOLUTE good and bad forces are the same because there are no absolute forces.I would suggest that you then assume that nature agrees with you and adopts thus logic.I would suggest not.Natures forces certainly do not cancel out they only produce vibratory balance.You need a separate alternating + and - on both sides of your philosophical reasoning dualistic fence AND in nature to obtain that balance because it is not possible to nullify these different and separated forces of nature.They only react or repel.Nature provides the DEFINITIVE proof you are looking for with its 4 off magnetic force interactions NN,SN,NS,SS.

I wouid suggest that as your science is flawed then your philosophy is flawed as well because I would suggest that all NATURES sciences are connected and adopt the same logic which as I keep suggesting is full logic philosophy and science and not atheistic half logic philosophy and science.

I have suggested an alternative philosophy and science that makes sense and is based upon electromechanical processes and known forces which is not interested in belief systems one way or the other so that you can believe what you wish in HOPE which is all anyone has because GREY is not good enough one way or the other.

Personally,I’m not remotely interested in mythical forces, I only go off the FACTS.

Lost me.

Was this agreeing on reverse onus, or was it all meant for another question?

Regards
DL

I have made a positive claim to prove my case.

That claim is that + and - are required on both sides of the fence to obtain vibratory balance in nature because the electromagnetic force interactions of NN,NS,SN,SS don’t cancel out as claimed by atheistic science which is a flawed science along with its philosophical logic that it is based upon.

I not sure how much clearer I can put it.

[Joshua10]

So nature has separated the + from the - .It’s black and white.

[Greatest I am]

Reverse onus.

It is to those who make a positive claim of a God to prove their case. It is not to those who will not believe in a thing without facts to prove a reality.

That aside. the Gods on offer are garbage, so it is easy to see why God does not show his evil face.

Regards
DL

I would suggest that you have missed the point.Your starting point for your philosophy and science I would suggest is always that there is no God or Devil because there is no definitive proof.You therefore always assume, I would suggest, that ABSOLUTE good and bad forces are the same because there are no absolute forces.I would suggest that you then assume that nature agrees with you and adopts thus logic.I would suggest not.Natures forces certainly do not cancel out they only produce vibratory balance.You need a separate alternating + and - on both sides of your philosophical reasoning dualistic fence AND in nature to obtain that balance because it is not possible to nullify these different and separated forces of nature.They only react or repel.Nature provides the DEFINITIVE proof you are looking for with its 4 off magnetic force interactions NN,SN,NS,SS.

I wouid suggest that as your science is flawed then your philosophy is flawed as well because I would suggest that all NATURES sciences are connected and adopt the same logic which as I keep suggesting is full logic philosophy and science and not atheistic half logic philosophy and science.

I have suggested an alternative philosophy and science that makes sense and is based upon electromechanical processes and known forces which is not interested in belief systems one way or the other so that you can believe what you wish in HOPE which is all anyone has because GREY is not good enough one way or the other.

Personally,I’m not remotely interested in mythical forces, I only go off the FACTS.

Lost me.

Was this agreeing on reverse onus, or was it all meant for another question?

Regards
DL

I have made a positive claim to prove my case.

That claim is that + and - are required on both sides of the fence to obtain vibratory balance in nature because the electromagnetic force interactions of NN,NS,SN,SS don’t cancel out as claimed by atheistic science which is a flawed science along with its philosophical logic that it is based upon.

I not sure how much clearer I can put it.

IDK. But ya.

I do not what you are on about.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

So nature has separated the + from the - .It’s black and white.

Black and white hold all the colors.

Yin separated from Yang in our dualistic reality is a foolish notion.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

I would£ suggest that Awareness and Unawareness are completely separate on both sides of the dualistic fence therefore.

I would suggest that the below statements holds true:

You can be unaware that you are unaware.
You can be unaware that you are aware.
You can be aware that you are unaware.
You can be aware that you are aware.

I would suggest that this is all related to the initial post question because if we are unaware that we are unaware then we might jump to the wrong conclusions in reasoning an answer.

1. Ok. Self-deception or active memory suppression I believe to be facts.

2. Latent talent. Ok.

3. Obvious.

4. Fact based thinking. Ok.

What relevance do you see in your generally held conclusions?

Old news buddy.

Regards
DL

[Joshua10]

I would£ suggest that Awareness and Unawareness are completely separate on both sides of the dualistic fence therefore.

I would suggest that the below statements holds true:

You can be unaware that you are unaware.
You can be unaware that you are aware.
You can be aware that you are unaware.
You can be aware that you are aware.

I would suggest that this is all related to the initial post question because if we are unaware that we are unaware then we might jump to the wrong conclusions in reasoning an answer.

1. Ok. Self-deception or active memory suppression I believe to be facts.

2. Latent talent. Ok.

3. Obvious.

4. Fact based thinking. Ok.

What relevance do you see in your generally held conclusions?

Old news buddy.

Regards
DL

It can’t be old news because it is all to do with consciousness and the control of it and we know that atheism knows nothing about consciousness because it is a prisoner of it.

[Joshua10]

I would suggest that the reason atheism struggles with consciousness is because it presently believes that that is all we are even though it knows absolutely nothing at all about consciousness.That pretty much sums up atheistic science.If it doesn’t know then a Guess and claim as FACT will do until someone proves what utter nonsense that claim is.Which is precisely what has happened with its now proven to be nonsense single Big Bang theory.

Awareness or Lack of sits above consciousness.For there to be awareness and unawareness then there needs to be something that is either aware or unaware.

[Joshua10]

I would suggest that the brain is a dualistic MAGNETIC computer.Pretty amazing stuff.

The software logic for this computer which surpasses anything man has invented is provided by the 4 off magnetic force interactions -/-….-/+….+/-….-/- which provide the 4 off dualistic binary interaction possibilities 0/0….0/1…1/0…0/0.

Uummm. What has God done wrong? well if he exists then his technology is far far more advanced that our science and the philosophy it is based upon.

It ain’t based upon atheistic science that’s for sure.

[Sculptor1]

So many debates gravitate around the degrading of the Lord. . So again, what has the Lord actually done wrong?

Cancer?

[Sculptor1]

I would suggest that the reason atheism struggles with consciousness is because it presently believes that that is all we are even though it knows absolutely nothing at all about consciousness.

Atheism has nothing whatever to say about consciousness.
Theism can say and do what it likes about consciousness, because being based on Faith thinks it has no duty to the truth, so is easily convinced by what ever it invents to tell a story.

[Joshua10]

I would suggest that the reason atheism struggles with consciousness is because it presently believes that that is all we are even though it knows absolutely nothing at all about consciousness.

Atheism has nothing whatever to say about consciousness.
Theism can say and do what it likes about consciousness, because being based on Faith thinks it has no duty to the truth, so is easily convinced by what ever it invents to tell a story.

I disagree Sculptor1.

Atheistic science does say we nothing more than consciousness even though it has nothing to say about it because it doesn’t understand it.

Until it does understand it it should remain silent and not make claims it can’t substantiate.

This has nothing at all to do with theism.