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[Joshua10]

I would suggest that the main point that secular science needs to take away from the above is that it needs to tune into AWARENESS because AWARENESS sits above consciousness.

I would suggest that it is impossible to understand consciousness without awareness.

Waking awareness is the state of consciousness during which we discuss and maybe even understand, describe, or explain consciousness.
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I would suggest otherwise.

Waking awareness is about knowing when one is in either the in the moment or out of the moment consciousness states and controlling this “toggling” process and understanding the science behind this process and the wider implications of this.Neither of which secular science understands because it remains in unawareness.

[Joshua10]

And don’t claim that atheism isn’t a religion.That is utter nonsense, ITS A BELIEF SYSTEM.If there is a God (and atheists have not provided definitive proof that there isn’t) then I WOULD SUGGEST all that atheists are is UNAWARE pawns in the religious game.i.e.doing the devils work.This is a possibility, so get real for once.

[LuckyR]

And don’t claim that atheism isn’t a religion.That is utter nonsense, ITS A BELIEF SYSTEM.If there is a God (and atheists have not provided definitive proof that there isn’t) then I WOULD SUGGEST all that atheists are is UNAWARE pawns in the religious game.i.e.doing the devils work.This is a possibility, so get real for once.

Is the belief system of: "I don't believe things that don't make sense to me", a religion?

And BTW, your suggestions do not equate to getting "real", they're your opinions.

[Joshua10]

And don’t claim that atheism isn’t a religion.That is utter nonsense, ITS A BELIEF SYSTEM.If there is a God (and atheists have not provided definitive proof that there isn’t) then I WOULD SUGGEST all that atheists are is UNAWARE pawns in the religious game.i.e.doing the devils work.This is a possibility, so get real for once.

Is the belief system of: "I don't believe things that don't make sense to me", a religion?

And BTW, your suggestions do not equate to getting "real", they're your opinions.

If you believe something that you can’t prove like there is no God then yes that is a religious belief system because the claim has been made that there is no God…PROVE IT, or else take the agnostic view which is a more truthful statement.That is my opinion yes.

[Sy Borg]

And don’t claim that atheism isn’t a religion.That is utter nonsense, ITS A BELIEF SYSTEM.If there is a God (and atheists have not provided definitive proof that there isn’t) then I WOULD SUGGEST all that atheists are is UNAWARE pawns in the religious game.i.e.doing the devils work.This is a possibility, so get real for once.

Is the belief system of: "I don't believe things that don't make sense to me", a religion?

And BTW, your suggestions do not equate to getting "real", they're your opinions.

Based on Joshua's claims, not believing in gnomes living at the bottom of your garden is a belief system.

Since we do not accept the claims of Gnomists, that means we are Agnomists. Agnomism is our belief system, according to Joshua.

Then what about Leprechaunism, Fairyism, Spritism and Pixieism?

If everything we disbelieve is considered to be a belief system equivalent to that of religions, that would mean every person had many millions of belief systems equivalent to religions based on all the fictitious things they disbelieve.

[Joshua10]

And don’t claim that atheism isn’t a religion.That is utter nonsense, ITS A BELIEF SYSTEM.If there is a God (and atheists have not provided definitive proof that there isn’t) then I WOULD SUGGEST all that atheists are is UNAWARE pawns in the religious game.i.e.doing the devils work.This is a possibility, so get real for once.

Is the belief system of: "I don't believe things that don't make sense to me", a religion?

And BTW, your suggestions do not equate to getting "real", they're your opinions.

Based on Joshua's claims, not believing in gnomes living at the bottom of your garden is a belief system.

Since we do not accept the claims of Gnomists, that means we are Agnomists. Agnomism is our belief system, according to Joshua.

Then what about Leprechaunism, Fairyism, Spritism and Pixieism?

If everything we disbelieve is considered to be a belief system equivalent to that of religions, that would mean every person had many millions of belief systems equivalent to religions based on all the fictitious things they disbelieve.

Sy Borg you can make as many excuses as you wish….but I would suggest that you have a flawed philosophy and believe a flawed science who’s flag ship theories are being proven to be incorrect.I have suggested that a united scientific principle is required to not only explain the cosmos but also to explain the brains workings which reasons how the cosmos work.I would suggest to you again that mythical force theories will not help science and will never help science to explain anything and yet you mock with your post statements.I would suggest that NATURE is mocking you more because you are totally UNAWARE.

As I have already suggested to you the psychological hierarchy is:

I am….Awareness …Control….Consciousness….Thoughts…..Emotions.

If there is a God and you can’t definitively prove there isn’t then you are merely displaying the opposing argument in NATURES formula whereby + and- have been separated.Remember,it would appear that NATURES alternative science states:

Alternating +/- forces = Alternating +/- forces

The BRAIN organ I would suggest computes this FULL logic.I would suggest that INWARD only DUALISTIC meditative reasonings also computes these full logic principles.

[Sy Borg]

So what has God actually done wrong?

[Joshua10]

So what has God actually done wrong?

Good question….we can pursue that further in future posts.

[Greatest I am]

So what has God actually done wrong?

In the myth --- Yahweh was a deadbeat dad to Jesus.

Joseph was peeved when cuckolded by God as well.

Regards
DL

[Sy Borg]

So what has God actually done wrong?

Good question….we can pursue that further in future posts.

Er, it is not my question but the thread topic. I personally find it a silly question, but ideally threads consist of conversation about the topic rather than people endlessly repeating their unrelated pet claims.

[Joshua10]

So what has God actually done wrong?

Good question….we can pursue that further in future posts.

Er, it is not my question but the thread topic. I personally find it a silly question, but ideally threads consist of conversation about the topic rather than people endlessly repeating their unrelated pet claims.

I would suggest that you find it a silly question because of your extremist view that there is no God even though you have no definitive proof to confirm this.Therfore,If there is a God, that would mean you are siding with the devil would it not?

[Greatest I am]

So what has God actually done wrong?

Good question….we can pursue that further in future posts.

Er, it is not my question but the thread topic. I personally find it a silly question, but ideally threads consist of conversation about the topic rather than people endlessly repeating their unrelated pet claims.

I would suggest that you find it a silly question because of your extremist view that there is no God even though you have no definitive proof to confirm this.Therfore,If there is a God, that would mean you are siding with the devil would it not?

Reverse onus.

It is to those who make a positive claim of a God to prove their case. It is not to those who will not believe in a thing without facts to prove a reality.

That aside. the Gods on offer are garbage, so it is easy to see why God does not show his evil face.

Regards
DL

[Sy Borg]

So what has God actually done wrong?

Good question….we can pursue that further in future posts.

Er, it is not my question but the thread topic. I personally find it a silly question, but ideally threads consist of conversation about the topic rather than people endlessly repeating their unrelated pet claims.

I would suggest that you find it a silly question because of your extremist view that there is no God even though you have no definitive proof to confirm this. Therfore,If there is a God, that would mean you are siding with the devil would it not?

'Extremist view that there is no God' is perhaps he very most stupid thing I have ever seen written on this forum in a decade, despite some stiff opposition.

Your posts are simply a ball of unsubstantiated suppositions. The belief of God is already entirely subjective, with zero objective evidence. Further, even if a deity existed, that would be no guarantee that Satan also existed.

Thing is, while God is a far-fetched belief, the belief in Satan is simply mindless and dumb. An evil spirit man deep in the Earth will, if you don't believe people's claims of an unsubstantiated deity, take you deep below ground* to the tortured forever and ever. This is apparently because God loves us so much.

Can't you see that your belief system is simply demented?

* It is yet to be determined whether Hades exists deep in the Earth's crust, or lower down in the molten magma layers of the mantle. Either would seem to have a few minor issues

[Joshua10]

Good question….we can pursue that further in future posts.

Er, it is not my question but the thread topic. I personally find it a silly question, but ideally threads consist of conversation about the topic rather than people endlessly repeating their unrelated pet claims.

I would suggest that you find it a silly question because of your extremist view that there is no God even though you have no definitive proof to confirm this.Therfore,If there is a God, that would mean you are siding with the devil would it not?

Reverse onus.

It is to those who make a positive claim of a God to prove their case. It is not to those who will not believe in a thing without facts to prove a reality.

That aside. the Gods on offer are garbage, so it is easy to see why God does not show his evil face.

Regards
DL

I would suggest that you have missed the point.Your starting point for your philosophy and science I would suggest is always that there is no God or Devil because there is no definitive proof.You therefore always assume, I would suggest, that ABSOLUTE good and bad forces are the same because there are no absolute forces.I would suggest that you then assume that nature agrees with you and adopts thus logic.I would suggest not.Natures forces certainly do not cancel out they only produce vibratory balance.You need a separate alternating + and - on both sides of your philosophical reasoning dualistic fence AND in nature to obtain that balance because it is not possible to nullify these different and separated forces of nature.They only react or repel.Nature provides the DEFINITIVE proof you are looking for with its 4 off magnetic force interactions NN,SN,NS,SS.

I wouid suggest that as your science is flawed then your philosophy is flawed as well because I would suggest that all NATURES sciences are connected and adopt the same logic which as I keep suggesting is full logic philosophy and science and not atheistic half logic philosophy and science.

I have suggested an alternative philosophy and science that makes sense and is based upon electromechanical processes and known forces which is not interested in belief systems one way or the other so that you can believe what you wish in HOPE which is all anyone has because GREY is not good enough one way or the other.

Personally,I’m not remotely interested in mythical forces, I only go off the FACTS.

[Joshua10]

Good question….we can pursue that further in future posts.

Er, it is not my question but the thread topic. I personally find it a silly question, but ideally threads consist of conversation about the topic rather than people endlessly repeating their unrelated pet claims.

I would suggest that you find it a silly question because of your extremist view that there is no God even though you have no definitive proof to confirm this. Therfore,If there is a God, that would mean you are siding with the devil would it not?

'Extremist view that there is no God' is perhaps he very most stupid thing I have ever seen written on this forum in a decade, despite some stiff opposition.

Your posts are simply a ball of unsubstantiated suppositions. The belief of God is already entirely subjective, with zero objective evidence. Further, even if a deity existed, that would be no guarantee that Satan also existed.

Thing is, while God is a far-fetched belief, the belief in Satan is simply mindless and dumb. An evil spirit man deep in the Earth will, if you don't believe people's claims of an unsubstantiated deity, take you deep below ground* to the tortured forever and ever. This is apparently because God loves us so much.

Can't you see that your belief system is simply demented?

* It is yet to be determined whether Hades exists deep in the Earth's crust, or lower down in the molten magma layers of the mantle. Either would seem to have a few minor issues

I would suggest Sy Borg that you are trapped in the proof proof proof debate.I would suggest that you need to get off that hamsters wheel and consider the possibility that no proof will be given either way or you may miss the bus.I would suggest that you seem to think you have the upper hand over those who claim there is a God and Devil because they can’t provide definite proof of this forgetting that those who claim the opposite can’t provide definitive proof either.That is such a boring debate and will never cancel out.

I would suggest that your philosophy and science needs to move on.