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[Sy Borg]

Where is "I am" when you are asleep? It's non-existent. When you die, your "I am" similarly goes away.

Why should the "I am" be preserved? Why preserve the sense of being of every person, dog, cat, rat, silverfish or amoeba after death? What for? A cosmic museum?

No, we die and we are replaced. Easy come, easy go. The larger structure - the Earth/biosphere - lives on, as does one's society (hopefully), but you are no longer part of it. Relative "eternal" life is achieved by the larger structures, in which we function somewhat like cells. That is our eternal life - of the collective, not the singular.

Further, thoughts are the product of conscious and unconscious internal and external processing. There's nothing mystical about it. Take away external stimuli and your thoughts will circle in on themselves until all that's left are memories or memories of memories. Every moment, your body is busily receiving, filtering and processing sensory data. The thoughtstream is generated by this constant flow of stimuli. Certain of these spontaneous thoughts are selected by the conscious mind, which may reflect the thought back, altering the stream, forming a temporary feedback loop.

[Joshua10]

Where is "I am" when you are asleep? It's non-existent. When you die, your "I am" similarly goes away.

Why should the "I am" be preserved? Why preserve the sense of being of every person, dog, cat, rat, silverfish or amoeba after death? What for? A cosmic museum?

No, we die and we are replaced. Easy come, easy go. The larger structure - the Earth/biosphere - lives on, as does one's society (hopefully), but you are no longer part of it. Relative "eternal" life is achieved by the larger structures, in which we function somewhat like cells. That is our eternal life - of the collective, not the singular.

Further, thoughts are the product of conscious and unconscious internal and external processing. There's nothing mystical about it. Take away external stimuli and your thoughts will circle in on themselves until all that's left are memories or memories of memories. Every moment, your body is busily receiving, filtering and processing sensory data. The thoughtstream is generated by this constant flow of stimuli. Certain of these spontaneous thoughts are selected by the conscious mind, which may reflect the thought back, altering the stream, forming a temporary feedback loop.

I would suggest that the “I am” is the controlling factor of consciousness.It doesn’t need to stay out “of the moment” if it doesn’t want to.It can change the consciousness state to “in the moment”anytime it likes.

As it does have control over the consciousness it also has control over thoughts because the “I am” has to ENGAGE with inward autopilot thoughts taking it “out of the moment”.It doesn’t need to ENGAGE if it doesn’t want to which CONFIRMS it has control.

The “I am” generates outward manual thoughts “in the moment” and therefore doesn’t need to engage with them.

The “I am” can do this because it has full awareness I.e. The “I am” has full awareness on both sides of the fence.

Remember,

Unawareness,Unawareness 0,0
Unawareness,Awareness 0,1
Awareness,Unawareness 1,0
Awareness,Awareness 1,1

Awareness has completely covered unawareness and unawareness is unable to overcome it.

Natures full logic.

This is why I would suggest that the “I am” is completely separate from the mechanical workings of the cosmos and the brain.

It is what it is.

Atheistic science needs to get a better understanding of the full interactions between the I am,Awareness,Control,Consciousness,Engagement,Thoughts,Emotions.

It will never do this with it’s lopsided half logic spectator science.We are all embroiled within the game.We are not spectators.

[Joshua10]

Awareness is completely separate from Unawareness.

[Joshua10]

Is it any wonder there is so much mental health problems in the world.It is because atheistic science does nothing to help people because it can’t because it is a nonsense unaware science that bears no relation to any of the other sciences.

[Joshua10]

I would suggest that science needs to be rebranded.It should no longer be called just science.It should be clearly defined as Atheistic science so every one is AWARE

[Joshua10]

When it comes to philosophy there are buyers and sellers.

I would suggest that atheistic science and philosophy is not a good buy.

I would suggest that Natures science and philosophy is a better buy because it is honest and allows for all possibilities and doesn’t take sides.I would suggest that Nature provides a science and philosophy to back this up.

I would suggest that it is natures science that helps people with there mental health because it provides practical help with explanations behind it unlike atheistic science and philosophy.

[Belindi]

Joshua wrote:

the “I am” is completely separate from the mechanical workings of the cosmos and the brain.

If the "I am" is completely separate it could not tell the brain what to do.

If the "I am" is completely separate it could not have any effect on, or even understand . the "mechanical workings of the cosmos".

[Joshua10]

Joshua wrote:

the “I am” is completely separate from the mechanical workings of the cosmos and the brain.

If the "I am" is completely separate it could not tell the brain what to do.

If the "I am" is completely separate it could not have any effect on, or even understand . the "mechanical workings of the cosmos".

With all due respect you make statement in unawareness.

The “I am” can and does take control of the consciousness states if it has awareness to do so.

It does bring itself into the moment from an out of the moment state.

Just because you might not exercise this control that doesn’t mean other people don’t.They do.

I would suggest that you speak for yourself and don’t try to tell other people what they do or don’t do or what is or isn’t possible.

With all due respect and please don’t take this personally but you don’t really know so why make such claims.

That is the problem with a belief in atheistic science and philosophy.It clams everything just happens automatically you see.It probably does for atheists because they are trapped in total unawareness exercising no control.

[Joshua10]

Belindi,

Can I ask.Do you know what outward mediation is? It would appear not.

[Joshua10]

As I say,we know what inward only out of the moment meditation is.That is when the “I am” makes the decision to go inward in either awareness or unawareness.

If the I am goes inward in unawareness and carries out dualistic reasoning then it concludes that the very thing that decided to go inward in the first place is an illusion and doesn’t exist.

That is how stupid atheistic reading is.

[Pattern-chaser]

Where is "I am" when you are asleep? It's non-existent. When you die, your "I am" similarly goes away.

Why should the "I am" be preserved? Why preserve the sense of being of every person, dog, cat, rat, silverfish or amoeba after death? What for? A cosmic museum?

No, we die and we are replaced. Easy come, easy go. The larger structure - the Earth/biosphere - lives on, as does one's society (hopefully), but you are no longer part of it. Relative "eternal" life is achieved by the larger structures, in which we function somewhat like cells. That is our eternal life - of the collective, not the singular.

Further, thoughts are the product of conscious and unconscious internal and external processing. There's nothing mystical about it. Take away external stimuli and your thoughts will circle in on themselves until all that's left are memories or memories of memories. Every moment, your body is busily receiving, filtering and processing sensory data. The thought-stream is generated by this constant flow of stimuli. Certain of these spontaneous thoughts are selected by the conscious mind, which may reflect the thought back, altering the stream, forming a temporary feedback loop.

I hesitate to comment here, in case my words are seen as opposed to your theme, with which I generally agree. Nevertheless:

No, we die and we are replaced. Easy come, easy go. The larger structure - the Earth/biosphere - lives on, as does one's society (hopefully), but you are no longer part of it.

All things that live, or have lived, participate(d) in the universe. When they die, their contribution does not disappear. When they die, all that happens is that they no longer contribute anything new; their contribution is restricted to what they in between birth and death. Everything that has ever lived continues to exert an influence because it did live, at some time, and it had its influence during that time. An eternally-enduring influence. In a wholly non-religious way, this is a simple (and somewhat limited) form of 'after-life'.

[Joshua10]

The I am exists and goes inward and thus out of consciousness synch and reasons dualistically either in awareness or unawareness.PERIOD.

Now it can either be honest or dishonest with itself and utilise natures full logic or atheism’s half logic.

That’s just how it is.

The I am can then come back out of this inward state and reason outwardly with either of the 2 honest or dishonest half or full logics as well.PERIOD.

[Joshua10]

I would suggest one absolutely has to consider the state of consciousness one is in as well in scientific and psychological deliberations.I would suggest that one’s reasonings need to be balanced across the two consciousness states.

I would suggest that an unbalanced view will inevitably come out of just a one sided dualistic reasoning state of consciousness.

[Joshua10]

I would suggest that matter is held together by vibrational/toggling +/- magnetic charges at the micro level.

Also, electromagnets interact with each other at the macro level causing multiple big bangs and big crunches i.e. multiple attractions and repulsions.

Inorder for the above to be true you need electromagnetic fields throughout the cosmos and SPIN happening through the cosmos at both the macro and micro levels which is exactly what we have.

[Sy Borg]

Where is "I am" when you are asleep? It's non-existent. When you die, your "I am" similarly goes away.

Why should the "I am" be preserved? Why preserve the sense of being of every person, dog, cat, rat, silverfish or amoeba after death? What for? A cosmic museum?

No, we die and we are replaced. Easy come, easy go. The larger structure - the Earth/biosphere - lives on, as does one's society (hopefully), but you are no longer part of it. Relative "eternal" life is achieved by the larger structures, in which we function somewhat like cells. That is our eternal life - of the collective, not the singular.

Further, thoughts are the product of conscious and unconscious internal and external processing. There's nothing mystical about it. Take away external stimuli and your thoughts will circle in on themselves until all that's left are memories or memories of memories. Every moment, your body is busily receiving, filtering and processing sensory data. The thought-stream is generated by this constant flow of stimuli. Certain of these spontaneous thoughts are selected by the conscious mind, which may reflect the thought back, altering the stream, forming a temporary feedback loop.

I hesitate to comment here, in case my words are seen as opposed to your theme, with which I generally agree. Nevertheless:

No, we die and we are replaced. Easy come, easy go. The larger structure - the Earth/biosphere - lives on, as does one's society (hopefully), but you are no longer part of it.

All things that live, or have lived, participate(d) in the universe. When they die, their contribution does not disappear. When they die, all that happens is that they no longer contribute anything new; their contribution is restricted to what they in between birth and death. Everything that has ever lived continues to exert an influence because it did live, at some time, and it had its influence during that time. An eternally-enduring influence. In a wholly non-religious way, this is a simple (and somewhat limited) form of 'after-life'.

Sure, we can say that the past is forever woven into the fabric of reality. Our influence remains until it is eroded away, although it would be theoretically be recoverable with sufficient technology (as long as one keeps one's distance from black holes haha).

But my point was that, you will subjectively stop, while the rest of life continues.