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[Jacob10]

Hey, if God exists then good and bad could be different so 0 may not equal 1 and 1 may not equal 0

This is pure non-sequitur combined with other weird stuff and put into a big ball of nonsense.

Exactly.

God only exists subjectively. This has been made pretty clear by NDEs, which are remarkably similar, whether the dying person is an atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, or Christian. Sometimes there are culturally specific aspects, such a Christians seeing Jesus or Muslims seeing Mohammed before reviving.

"Good" and "bad" are subjective appraisals of local entropy. Nothing to do with deities. Meanwhile, a young child you tell you that 0 does not equal 1 and 1 does not equal 0.

All we can do is HOPE that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Aphrodite are real!

First point ….you are hopefully guessing again.You cannot definitely prove one way or the other that God only exists subjectively.Evidences aren’t definitive proof.

Second point,….you are hopefully guessing again about good and bad.Please see also point 1.Also,you need to have a word with secular scientists about magnetic forces being different which has been definitively confirmed by nature with its 4 off magnetic combination interactions NN….NS….SN…..SS.If the 2 foundational forces are identical in absolutely every aspects then why don’t these interactions give the same result? Obviously secular scientists need to learn from a small child.

Third point…I agree totally.

[Jacob10]

The common electromagnetic field for the two off magnetic forces in nature are a potential elephant and it would appear that the elephant has decided to separate these two forces of nature and make them equal and opposite but not identical.

Electromagnetic fields permeate the universe at both the macro and micro levels and so they are the common denominator between the two.

Things spin in electromagnetic fields and for that to happen you need electricity.

[Jacob10]

So electromagnetic fields do determine whether it’s going to be a BB or a BC then which depends upon how these two different magnetic forces of nature interact.

[Sy Borg]

Hey, if God exists then good and bad could be different so 0 may not equal 1 and 1 may not equal 0

This is pure non-sequitur combined with other weird stuff and put into a big ball of nonsense.

Exactly.

God only exists subjectively. This has been made pretty clear by NDEs, which are remarkably similar, whether the dying person is an atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, or Christian. Sometimes there are culturally specific aspects, such a Christians seeing Jesus or Muslims seeing Mohammed before reviving.

"Good" and "bad" are subjective appraisals of local entropy. Nothing to do with deities. Meanwhile, a young child you tell you that 0 does not equal 1 and 1 does not equal 0.

All we can do is HOPE that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Aphrodite are real!

First point ….you are hopefully guessing again.You cannot definitely prove one way or the other that God only exists subjectively.Evidences aren’t definitive proof.

God is about as likely as Zeus. History and mythology tended to blur together back then, especially ancient accounts purportedly centuries after the "fact".

Second point,….you are hopefully guessing again about good and bad.

No, there is no objective good an bad.

Consider the "good" for you of chomping into the flesh of another animal. It wasn't so good for the other animal, was it?

Please see also point 1.Also,you need to have a word with secular scientists about magnetic forces being different which has been definitively confirmed by nature with its 4 off magnetic combination interactions NN….NS….SN…..SS.If the 2 foundational forces are identical in absolutely every aspects then why don’t these interactions give the same result? Obviously secular scientists need to learn from a small child.

This is not coherent. The electromagnetic force is not relevant in context. Based on your post, you appear not to know what electromagnetism is.

[Jacob10]

This is pure non-sequitur combined with other weird stuff and put into a big ball of nonsense.

Exactly.

God only exists subjectively. This has been made pretty clear by NDEs, which are remarkably similar, whether the dying person is an atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, or Christian. Sometimes there are culturally specific aspects, such a Christians seeing Jesus or Muslims seeing Mohammed before reviving.

"Good" and "bad" are subjective appraisals of local entropy. Nothing to do with deities. Meanwhile, a young child you tell you that 0 does not equal 1 and 1 does not equal 0.

All we can do is HOPE that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Aphrodite are real!

First point ….you are hopefully guessing again.You cannot definitely prove one way or the other that God only exists subjectively.Evidences aren’t definitive proof.

God is about as likely as Zeus. History and mythology tended to blur together back then, especially ancient accounts purportedly centuries after the "fact".

Second point,….you are hopefully guessing again about good and bad.

No, there is no objective good an bad.

Consider the "good" for you of chomping into the flesh of another animal. It wasn't so good for the other animal, was it?

Please see also point 1.Also,you need to have a word with secular scientists about magnetic forces being different which has been definitively confirmed by nature with its 4 off magnetic combination interactions NN….NS….SN…..SS.If the 2 foundational forces are identical in absolutely every aspects then why don’t these interactions give the same result? Obviously secular scientists need to learn from a small child.

This is not coherent. The electromagnetic force is not relevant in context. Based on your post, you appear not to know what electromagnetism is.

You do mostly guessing and assuming in everything you say.You need to wise up a bit.

Electromagnetic force is relevant to the context…totally relevant.If you were aware then you would realise this but you are not aware…you are unaware.

[Sy Borg]

Exactly.

God only exists subjectively. This has been made pretty clear by NDEs, which are remarkably similar, whether the dying person is an atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, or Christian. Sometimes there are culturally specific aspects, such a Christians seeing Jesus or Muslims seeing Mohammed before reviving.

"Good" and "bad" are subjective appraisals of local entropy. Nothing to do with deities. Meanwhile, a young child you tell you that 0 does not equal 1 and 1 does not equal 0.

All we can do is HOPE that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Aphrodite are real!

First point ….you are hopefully guessing again.You cannot definitely prove one way or the other that God only exists subjectively.Evidences aren’t definitive proof.

God is about as likely as Zeus. History and mythology tended to blur together back then, especially ancient accounts purportedly centuries after the "fact".

Second point,….you are hopefully guessing again about good and bad.

No, there is no objective good an bad.

Consider the "good" for you of chomping into the flesh of another animal. It wasn't so good for the other animal, was it?

Please see also point 1.Also,you need to have a word with secular scientists about magnetic forces being different which has been definitively confirmed by nature with its 4 off magnetic combination interactions NN….NS….SN…..SS.If the 2 foundational forces are identical in absolutely every aspects then why don’t these interactions give the same result? Obviously secular scientists need to learn from a small child.

This is not coherent. The electromagnetic force is not relevant in context. Based on your post, you appear not to know what electromagnetism is.

You do mostly guessing and assuming in everything you say.You need to wise up a bit.

Electromagnetic force is relevant to the context…totally relevant.If you were aware then you would realise this but you are not aware…you are unaware.

I note that you had no actual response to most of my post because you know God is equivalent to his peer deities of Greece and Rome.

I assumed that you eat meat because I have not met a vegetarian theist. You do eat meat, yes?

Repeating your unfounded claims is just publicity, not philosophy. Time for some actual content. Please provide a credible source for your claims.

Physicists - who know FAR more than we do about all this - have found that the four main forces were a single unified force until they separated very, very soon after the BB. So please explain how the electromagnetic force could exist before the Big Bang. Physicists posit that the BB was preceded by space consisting of virtual particles.

[Jacob10]

First point ….you are hopefully guessing again.You cannot definitely prove one way or the other that God only exists subjectively.Evidences aren’t definitive proof.

God is about as likely as Zeus. History and mythology tended to blur together back then, especially ancient accounts purportedly centuries after the "fact".

Second point,….you are hopefully guessing again about good and bad.

No, there is no objective good an bad.

Consider the "good" for you of chomping into the flesh of another animal. It wasn't so good for the other animal, was it?

Please see also point 1.Also,you need to have a word with secular scientists about magnetic forces being different which has been definitively confirmed by nature with its 4 off magnetic combination interactions NN….NS….SN…..SS.If the 2 foundational forces are identical in absolutely every aspects then why don’t these interactions give the same result? Obviously secular scientists need to learn from a small child.

This is not coherent. The electromagnetic force is not relevant in context. Based on your post, you appear not to know what electromagnetism is.

You do mostly guessing and assuming in everything you say.You need to wise up a bit.

Electromagnetic force is relevant to the context…totally relevant.If you were aware then you would realise this but you are not aware…you are unaware.

I note that you had no actual response to most of my post because you know God is equivalent to his peer deities of Greece and Rome.

I assumed that you eat meat because I have not met a vegetarian theist. You do eat meat, yes?

Repeating your unfounded claims is just publicity, not philosophy. Time for some actual content. Please provide a credible source for your claims.

Physicists - who know FAR more than we do about all this - have found that the four main forces were a single unified force until they separated very, very soon after the BB. So please explain how the electromagnetic force could exist before the Big Bang. Physicists posit that the BB was preceded by space consisting of virtual particles.

Physicist clam they know a lot of things after they have done their guessing and assumptions and then building them into their calcs/formulas.That is why their flag ship theories are on the verge of collapse.They guess and assume incorrectly.

Think for yourself.

If there is a God and thee is absolutely no definitive proof that there is or isn’t then it is possible that electromagnetic fields came before BB and BC’s and these fields are the reason that they happen at all.

I have just been having discussions about this regarding electromagnetic fields being the potential elephant who has decided to separate the 2 equal but opposite but definitely not identical magnetic forces in nature.

[Jacob10]

Getting back to the original post statement.

As the presently accepted scientific theories are on the verge of total collapse.

I think the original post statement should be revised to ……..Actually, God is a possibility.

[Count Lucanor]

...are you saying secularist are now agnostic or theists then? If not, what are you saying? Do you even know?

Look up, read, study...it is the only antidote against voluntary ignorance (aka "I just need to think by myself").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_theology

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/seculari ... _b_1699588

https://www.secularism.org.uk/religion-and-state/

Thanks for that….Lets cut to the chase….I still refer you back to my last comment about secularist.Which are they Atheists;Theists or Agnostics??
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You're welcome. Secularists can be either atheists, theists or agnostics. It is a political stance about the role of religion in public life, not about the nature of the universe and/or the existence of deities. Thomas Paine was a known deist and also a pioneer of secularism:

https://www.secularism.org.uk/thomas-paine.html

The principles of secularism do not imply rejection of the belief in deities:

https://www.secularism.org.uk/what-is-secularism.html

[Count Lucanor]

All we can do is HOPE that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Aphrodite are real!

And since apparently no proposed entity can be "proven not to exist", not even the Flying Teapot or the Dragon in My Garage, I guess our real best HOPE is that the heavens are populated with a lot of mighty powerful entities, thousands of them. I wonder how they get along with each other.

[Sy Borg]

God is about as likely as Zeus. History and mythology tended to blur together back then, especially ancient accounts purportedly centuries after the "fact".


No, there is no objective good an bad.

Consider the "good" for you of chomping into the flesh of another animal. It wasn't so good for the other animal, was it?



This is not coherent. The electromagnetic force is not relevant in context. Based on your post, you appear not to know what electromagnetism is.

You do mostly guessing and assuming in everything you say.You need to wise up a bit.

Electromagnetic force is relevant to the context…totally relevant.If you were aware then you would realise this but you are not aware…you are unaware.

I note that you had no actual response to most of my post because you know God is equivalent to his peer deities of Greece and Rome.

I assumed that you eat meat because I have not met a vegetarian theist. You do eat meat, yes?

Repeating your unfounded claims is just publicity, not philosophy. Time for some actual content. Please provide a credible source for your claims.

Physicists - who know FAR more than we do about all this - have found that the four main forces were a single unified force until they separated very, very soon after the BB. So please explain how the electromagnetic force could exist before the Big Bang. Physicists posit that the BB was preceded by space consisting of virtual particles.

Physicist clam they know a lot of things after they have done their guessing and assumptions and then building them into their calcs/formulas.That is why their flag ship theories are on the verge of collapse.They guess and assume incorrectly.

Think for yourself.

If there is a God and thee is absolutely no definitive proof that there is or isn’t then it is possible that electromagnetic fields came before BB and BC’s and these fields are the reason that they happen at all.

I have just been having discussions about this regarding electromagnetic fields being the potential elephant who has decided to separate the 2 equal but opposite but definitely not identical magnetic forces in nature.

Your claims about physicists make clear that you have no idea at all how science is conducted. You are not in a position to criticise science because you do not know nearly enough to hold an informed opinion on the subject.

And it is rather rich for a theist to tell a free-thinker to "think for yourself". The question is, why won't you think for yourself rather than unquestioningly following your Christian cultural conditioning? Just because Constantine had lead poisoning and hallucinated, thus birthing the Roman Catholic Church, does not mean we have to believe the mythologies foisted on us from childhood.

Since you won't provide sources, I suppose I have to guess that your online cherry-picker of scientific information is sourcing information about this: https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-hidd ... -20200702/

Of course, you can't believe the "magnetic universe" idea either because it's only be thought of by ignorant scientists that you claim are pretty clueless and only making wild guesses.

[Sy Borg]

All we can do is HOPE that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Aphrodite are real!

And since apparently no proposed entity can be "proven not to exist", not even the Flying Teapot or the Dragon in My Garage, I guess our real best HOPE is that the heavens are populated with a lot of mighty powerful entities, thousands of them. I wonder how they get along with each other.

Why is Yahweh treated as if it's real when almost no one believes in his peers - the Greek, Roman and Norse gods? It looks like cultural competition. Nations of the Middle East were the dominant powers for centuries. With the Greek and Roman empires, Europeans forged their own identity. However, when Constantine surrendered to Christianity (most likely due to hallucinations induced by lead poisoning), he invited the Middle East to re-take Europe in a cultural sense.

The remnants of this invasion maintain a strong foothold in Europe to this day. That may be why Europe is more secular than the rest of the world - Europeans subconsciously trying to reclaim their cultural identity, to shake off the shackles of Middle Eastern mediaeval ideas that have dominated them for too long.

[Count Lucanor]

All we can do is HOPE that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Aphrodite are real!

And since apparently no proposed entity can be "proven not to exist", not even the Flying Teapot or the Dragon in My Garage, I guess our real best HOPE is that the heavens are populated with a lot of mighty powerful entities, thousands of them. I wonder how they get along with each other.

Why is Yahweh treated as if it's real when almost no one believes in his peers - the Greek, Roman and Norse gods? It looks like cultural competition.

Interestingly, the authors of the Old Testament did not believe themselves that Yahweh was the only god, just the most powerful one:

“For Yahweh is a great god, and a great king above all gods” (Psalms, 95:3).

[Jacob10]

Any physicist who has a belief system that an electromagnetic field is identical in every aspect to the two forces it creates is going to produce incorrect science.As I have already explained you cannot compare the elephant with its leg and trunk no more than you can claim that a trunk is a leg and a leg is a trunk.

I understand real science my friend.I am not remotely interested in made up science.

[Sy Borg]

All we can do is HOPE that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Aphrodite are real!

And since apparently no proposed entity can be "proven not to exist", not even the Flying Teapot or the Dragon in My Garage, I guess our real best HOPE is that the heavens are populated with a lot of mighty powerful entities, thousands of them. I wonder how they get along with each other.

Why is Yahweh treated as if it's real when almost no one believes in his peers - the Greek, Roman and Norse gods? It looks like cultural competition.

Interestingly, the authors of the Old Testament did not believe themselves that Yahweh was the only god, just the most powerful one:

“For Yahweh is a great god, and a great king above all gods” (Psalms, 95:3).

That appears to be the point. The My Dad is better than your Dad sentiment of young and immature civilisations.

The writers of the Bible posited that God ruled all of the universe. At the time, their universe did not include the Americas, the Antipodes, SE Asia, southern Africa, the Antarctic or the Pacific Ocean, let alone other suns and galaxies. The Biblical deity, Yahweh, ruled the Middle East, parts of northern Africa and Europe and the subcontinent, and these lands were covered by a dome decorated with orbiting stars, Sun and Moon.

Outside of the dome was Yahweh, the craftsman who built this clockwork Flatland toy. I find it very, very hard to understand how someone in the 21st century, with all the information and resources available, could fail to notice the immense illogic of the schema. I'm thinking that belief must be about pragmatism.

As if they know it's all BS but somehow it works because XYZ people are believers and they are leading fabulous lives ... perhaps they met at a church social gathering, and most of their friends are part of the church crowd, making Sunday rituals more about catching up and networking than beliefs.

Unshakeable belief in the supernatural seems to be an extrapolation of the survival instinct. It's as if this life is not enough and one must find a way to survive death too. But why fear oblivion if we crave a period of oblivion every night? The worrisome aspect is the lead-up, especially with patchy end-of-life laws ... caused, I should say, largely by religious interference in secular society based on belief in an impossible maker of a flat, incomplete world under a dome of stars.