Belindi wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:35 am
Consul, the following copied from Sprigge confines Spinoza's and Bradley's "substance" to definitions i and ii because iii-vi apply to subjects or objects and not to subjectless objectless experience , or (Spinoza) God/Nature.
The constructed object world is the shared posit of a system of communicating finite centres achieved through synthetic judgements of sense which interpret any given perceptual fields as different fragments of a single spatia-temporal whole extending them in a manner homogeneous with them in character. Its existence consists simply in the pragmatic value of such positings. There may be many different object worlds constructed by different systems of communicating finite centres.
Both finite centres and the object world are simply appearances of the Absolute."
As for Bradley's "finite centres" of experience or feeling:
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"The ‘this’ and the ‘mine’ express the immediate character of feeling, and the appearance of this character in a finite centre.
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Now whatever is thus directly experienced—so far as it is not taken otherwise—is ‘this’ and ‘mine’. And all such presentation without doubt has peculiar reality. One might even contend that logically to transcend it is impossible, and that there is no rational way to a plurality of ‘this-mines’."
(p. 198)
"A centre of experience, first, is not the same thing as either a soul or, again, a self. It need not contain the distinction of not-self from self; and, whether it contains that or not, in neither case is it, properly, a self. It will be either below, or else wider than and above, the distinction. And a soul, as we have seen, is always the creature of an intellectual construction. It cannot be the same thing with a mere centre of immediate experience."
(p. 468)
(Bradley, F. H.
Appearance and Reality. 1897 [2nd ed.]. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1930 [9th impr.].)
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"Another important point to note about immediate experience is that it manifests itself filtered through what he calls “finite centres” (Bradley 1915: 410). These numerous (Bradley 1897: 468) centres of experience, closely identified in his mind with the indexical perspective of the “this” and the “mine” (Bradley 1897: 198) and thus impervious to each other (Bradley 1915: 173), are not to be thought of as objects existing in time or capable of standing in relation to one another; they are rather the raw data from which such objects and relations are built up as ideal constructions (Bradley 1915:[177]411). They are, we might say, the pre-conceptual experiential base from which we construct our entire conception of the world. In particular, finite centres are to be distinguished from selves. This is so in two respects. First, selves are objects that endure through time, and second, they are distinguished from their states. A finite centre, by contrast, has no duration and contains no subject–object distinction. For Bradley the self is something made out of, or abstracted from, a finite centre, and thus he allows that in so far as I think of myself as something developed out of a given finite centre, I may describe that centre as “mine” (Bradley 1915: 418), but it must always be remembered that the self which is thus developed is but an ideal construction lacking any ultimate reality (Bradley 1915: 248)."
(Mander, W. J. "Bradley: The supra-relational Absolute." In
The Routledge Companion to Metaphysics, edited by Robin Le Poidevin, Peter Simons, Andrew McGonigal, and Ross P. Cameron, 171-180. Abingdon: Routledge, 2009. pp. 176-7)
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"Bradley admits the existence of nothing that falls outside of experience – more precisely, he holds that there is nothing that can be
said about anything that falls outside of any experience, whether this be the Experience that is the Absolute or the kind of experiences we ourselves have. Even though Reality, as a single Experience and the highest reality, is an indivisible unity, it incorporates subordinate aspects. Within the Absolute are what he calls, ‘finite centres of experience’, also sometimes termed ‘this-mines’. These, though less real than the Absolute, are still real to some degree. Their nature is most easily grasped in terms of our own experiences and in terms of experiences we suppose are had by others. A unified experiential state, which may include in its totality both the perceiving self and the world as perceived from that particular perspective, counts as a ‘finite centre’ – ‘an immediate experience of itself and of the Universe in one’. Not all finite centres are consciously aware – not all contain an aspect that is a ‘self’ – but all are unified experiential states that differ from the experiential states of others. Each finite centre of experience, as Sprigge explains, ‘is particularly associated with a certain position in the space and time of the object world, from which, so to speak, it looks out at that world’. [T. L. S. Sprigge,
James and Bradley: American Truth and British Reality, 1993, p. 282] Of course, the finite centres of experience cannot be detached from the Absolute whole. Rather, all seemingly independent and inter-related things must, because of the contradictory nature of relations, be subsumed, resolved, transformed or ‘transmuted’ in the Absolute Experience. In the final analysis, even though finite centres are (incoherently) identifiable as specific points of view within an apparent temporal sequence, they are eternally aspects of the timeless Absolute. As subsidiary aspects of the Absolute Experience, each finite centre is ‘just one of the positions from which the Absolute looks out eternally at the world’. [Sprigge, 1993, p. 282]
Some finite centres have (or rather, ‘are’) experiences that are divided and relational. In the experiential content of some finite centres, it is possible to distinguish the self, on the one hand, and nature or the world, on the other. In others, no such distinction is present: their experience is a mere ‘feeling’, a pre-relational, ‘immediate experience’ in which the finite centre’s experience is not yet broken up into the perceiver and perceived. However, this differentiation of types of finite centres with its implicit suggestion of a plurality of finite centres in relation to each other is ultimately an illusion. In the supra-relational Absolute Experience, contradictions apparent in the relational experiences – including contradictions involved in conceiving a plurality of finite centres in relation to each other – are overcome, synthesised into a unified and undivided whole. Bradley’s Absolute unifies all the experiences had by the finite centres into one grand Absolute Experience."
(Phemister, Pauline. "Leibnizian Pluralism and Bradleian Monism: A Question of Relations." In
Leibniz and the Aspects of Reality [Studia Leibnitiana 45], edited by Arnaud Pelletier, 61-79. Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag, 2016. pp. 62-3)
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"[O]ne has to consider Bradley’s treatment of the notion of the self. In his view, there cannot be a subject without an object. Since self and not-self, subject and object, are correlative and can’t therefore be divorced from one another, they form a relational structure that, as such, can only develop within the larger whole of feeling. The self is, as Bradley says, ‘one of the results gained by transcending the first . . . form of experience’ (AR 525). But
whose experience, then, is immediate experience? Bradley answers this question in terms of the notion of a finite centre. This is to be viewed as the
metaphysical point in which all of a person’s experiences unfold. However, such a centre is neither a self (as we have just seen) nor can it properly be called a ‘soul’ (AR 529), for according to Bradley a soul’s life must be capable of enduring for a significant amount of time, while the experiences unfolding within a finite centre might be as brief as a momentary occurrence, breaking into existence, as it were, like a light flashing in the dark. Bradley also thinks that finite centres are not
themselves in time, although there obviously is a temporal quality to the experiences unfolding within them. Most importantly, and puzzling as it might seem on a first hearing, Bradley denies that a finite centre is in any deep metaphysical sense a reality
distinct from its experiences. There is nothing more to the centre than the stream of its experiences—each is a quantum of flowing feeling."
(Basile, Pierfrancesco. "Bradley's Metaphysics." In
The Oxford Handbook of British Philosophy in the Nineteenth Century, edited by W. J. Mander, 189-208. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2014. p. 203)
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Belindi wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:35 am
It's helpful to think of the two attributes (Spinoza) in terms of how, in Taoism, The Way splits into Yin and Yang and thence into the myriad creatures. In terms of LaoTsu, Spinoza, and Bradley the philosophical experience of the Absolute is itself primarily thought. It's rational not empirical.
Bradley emphatically rejects Hegel's rationalism—that being is thought, that the cosmos is
logos.
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"The final truth about reality is, on Bradley’s view, quite literally and in principle inexpressible. Eventually, it is this mystical conclusion which explains his forceful rejection of Hegel’s
panlogism; contrary to Hegel’s view in the
Science of Logic, Reality is not a system of interrelated logical categories, but transcends thought altogether."
Source:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/bradley/
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"When in the reason's philosophy the rational appears dominant and sole possessor of the world, we can only wonder what place would be left to it, if the element excluded might break through the charm of the magic circle, and, without growing rational, could find expression. Such an idea may be senseless, and such a thought may contradict itself, but it serves to give voice to an obstinate instinct. Unless thought stands for something that falls beyond mere intelligence, if "thinking" is not used with some strange implication that never was part of the meaning of the word, a lingering scruple still forbids us to believe that reality can ever be purely rational. It may come from a failure in my metaphysics, or from a weakness of the flesh which continues to blind me, but the notion that existence could be the same as understanding strikes as cold and ghost-like as the dreariest materialism. That the glory of this world in the end is appearance leaves the world more glorious, if we feel it is a show of some fuller splendour; but the sensuous curtain is a deception and a cheat, if it hides some colourless movement of atoms, some spectral woof of impalpable abstractions, or unearthly ballet of bloodless categories. Though dragged to such conclusions, we can not embrace them. Our principles may be true, but they are not reality. They no more
make that Whole which commands our devotion, than some shredded dissection of human tatters
is that warm and breathing beauty of flesh which our hearts found delightful."
(Bradley, F. H.
The Principles of Logic. London: Kegan Paul, Trench, & Co., 1883. p. 533)
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By the way, Arthur Schopenhauer writes that from Hegel's perspective the world is "a crystallized syllogism."