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[evolution]

What brought you to such an obviously absurd conclusion?

Because I can read.

So, your reason for why you arrived at such and ABSURD and as such such a WRONG conclusion is because you "can read".

When if that is the reason WHY you continually make such ABSURD and such WRONG conclusions, then, hopefully, you now KNOW what to do, or what not to do.

[Sculptor1]

Cluck, cluck, cluck!!

WHY do your discussions end more so like this than with any real achievement being made?

Why do you keep shouting?

[Sculptor1]

Because I can read.

So, your reason for why you arrived at such and ABSURD and as such such a WRONG conclusion is because you "can read".

When if that is the reason WHY you continually make such ABSURD and such WRONG conclusions, then, hopefully, you now KNOW what to do, or what not to do.

cluck cluck cluck

[evolution]

WHY do your discussions end more so like this than with any real achievement being made?

Why do you keep shouting?

WHY do YOU keep making ASSUMPTIONS, which are COMPLETELY WRONG?

[Sculptor1]

Why do you keep shouting?

WHY do YOU keep making ASSUMPTIONS, which are COMPLETELY WRONG?

WHY DO YOU KEEP SHOUTING??????

[evolution]

WHY do YOU keep making ASSUMPTIONS, which are COMPLETELY WRONG?

WHY DO YOU KEEP SHOUTING??????

As I have asked you previously: WHY DO YOU KEEP ASSUMING THAT I AM SHOUTING WHEN I AM NOT?

[Sculptor1]

WHY DO YOU KEEP SHOUTING??????

As I have asked you previously: WHY DO YOU KEEP ASSUMING THAT I AM SHOUTING WHEN I AM NOT?

Obey the protocols of bugger off.

[Steve3007]

Keep it down in here. There are people trying to sleep in some time zones and the walls between these forums are paper thin.

[evolution]

As I have asked you previously: WHY DO YOU KEEP ASSUMING THAT I AM SHOUTING WHEN I AM NOT?

Obey the protocols of bugger off.

"Obey the 'protocols' of 'what', EXACTLY?

[Raymond]

I had a wonderful and gloriously radiating epiphany last year. The universe showed itself to me in it's great and amazingly simple true being.

The basic form is an open spatially 4D torus. A 4D Planck-sized wormhole connects two infinite 4D spaces on which two closed spherical 3D spheres move away from the central wormhole, the singularity.

Quarks and leptons are made from two massless base fields and are almost pointlike. In reality they are Planck-sized torus shapes, ie, three large dimensions of a 6D space rolled up to circles, like a 2D space can be rolled up to a cilinder on which we can image a tiny circle for a particle. So 3D space is actually 6D and the 4D substrate actually 7D. The small torus shape in 6D is such that the 6D shape fits nicely on the thin 7D wormhole (which has an appearance of 4D).

For visibility, consider the inside part of a 2D torus. The mouth connects two spaces and has negative curvature. Consider the mouth Planck-sized. From this mouth, because of its negative curvature, can inflate two circles with matter into real existence. From the virtuality around the mouth the real particles are excited. BANG! Two mirrored universes...

[Paradigmer]

I don't know if science has an answer or not. It would seem a natural question to ask.

If you asked me, my guess would be a sphere. The BB would imply such a shape. What say you? Is it spherical, cubed shape, oval or what?

In the vortical worldview, the cosmos is formed in a vortical hypersphere of nested torus structures.

The empirical evidence for this postulation is simply overwhelming.

[Paradigmer]

I had a wonderful and gloriously radiating epiphany last year. The universe showed itself to me in it's great and amazingly simple true being.

The basic form is an open spatially 4D torus. A 4D Planck-sized wormhole connects two infinite 4D spaces on which two closed spherical 3D spheres move away from the central wormhole, the singularity.

Quarks and leptons are made from two massless base fields and are almost pointlike. In reality they are Planck-sized torus shapes, ie, three large dimensions of a 6D space rolled up to circles, like a 2D space can be rolled up to a cilinder on which we can image a tiny circle for a particle. So 3D space is actually 6D and the 4D substrate actually 7D. The small torus shape in 6D is such that the 6D shape fits nicely on the thin 7D wormhole (which has an appearance of 4D).

For visibility, consider the inside part of a 2D torus. The mouth connects two spaces and has negative curvature. Consider the mouth Planck-sized. From this mouth, because of its negative curvature, can inflate two circles with matter into real existence. From the virtuality around the mouth the real particles are excited. BANG! Two mirrored universes...

Hi Raymond, glad to know you had that "wonderful and gloriously radiating epiphany last year".

I also experienced such an epiphany, which led me to develop a treatise that approaches cosmology from an entirely different perspective.

[Raymond]

I had a wonderful and gloriously radiating epiphany last year. The universe showed itself to me in it's great and amazingly simple true being.

The basic form is an open spatially 4D torus. A 4D Planck-sized wormhole connects two infinite 4D spaces on which two closed spherical 3D spheres move away from the central wormhole, the singularity.

Quarks and leptons are made from two massless base fields and are almost pointlike. In reality they are Planck-sized torus shapes, ie, three large dimensions of a 6D space rolled up to circles, like a 2D space can be rolled up to a cilinder on which we can image a tiny circle for a particle. So 3D space is actually 6D and the 4D substrate actually 7D. The small torus shape in 6D is such that the 6D shape fits nicely on the thin 7D wormhole (which has an appearance of 4D).

For visibility, consider the inside part of a 2D torus. The mouth connects two spaces and has negative curvature. Consider the mouth Planck-sized. From this mouth, because of its negative curvature, can inflate two circles with matter into real existence. From the virtuality around the mouth the real particles are excited. BANG! Two mirrored universes...

Hi Raymond, glad to know you had that "wonderful and gloriously radiating epiphany last year".

I also experienced such an epiphany, which led me to develop a treatise that approaches cosmology from an entirely different perspective.

That's quite some stuff you wrote! I have to read it a few times to let it sink in. You see that the universe sometimes shows itself? Just treat her like a good friend. Of course she'll always keep some!

[Paradigmer]

I had a wonderful and gloriously radiating epiphany last year. The universe showed itself to me in it's great and amazingly simple true being.

The basic form is an open spatially 4D torus. A 4D Planck-sized wormhole connects two infinite 4D spaces on which two closed spherical 3D spheres move away from the central wormhole, the singularity.

Quarks and leptons are made from two massless base fields and are almost pointlike. In reality they are Planck-sized torus shapes, ie, three large dimensions of a 6D space rolled up to circles, like a 2D space can be rolled up to a cilinder on which we can image a tiny circle for a particle. So 3D space is actually 6D and the 4D substrate actually 7D. The small torus shape in 6D is such that the 6D shape fits nicely on the thin 7D wormhole (which has an appearance of 4D).

For visibility, consider the inside part of a 2D torus. The mouth connects two spaces and has negative curvature. Consider the mouth Planck-sized. From this mouth, because of its negative curvature, can inflate two circles with matter into real existence. From the virtuality around the mouth the real particles are excited. BANG! Two mirrored universes...

Hi Raymond, glad to know you had that "wonderful and gloriously radiating epiphany last year".

I also experienced such an epiphany, which led me to develop a treatise that approaches cosmology from an entirely different perspective.

That's quite some stuff you wrote! I have to read it a few times to let it sink in. You see that the universe sometimes shows itself? Just treat her like a good friend. Of course she'll always keep some!

Am elated you could tolerate the verbosity of my write-ups, and even went to the extent of reading it a few times.

The simplicity of the postulated underlying mechanism that forms the cosmos is like how Richard Fenyman put it:
“I have often made the hypothesis that ultimately physics will not require a mathematical statement, that in the end the machinery will be revealed and the laws will turn out to be simple.”

And I love your descriptions on "The basic form is an open spatially 4D torus. A 4D Planck-sized wormhole connects two infinite 4D spaces on which two closed spherical 3D spheres move away from the central wormhole, the singularity. ".

[Raymond]

I had a wonderful and gloriously radiating epiphany last year. The universe showed itself to me in it's great and amazingly simple true being.

The basic form is an open spatially 4D torus. A 4D Planck-sized wormhole connects two infinite 4D spaces on which two closed spherical 3D spheres move away from the central wormhole, the singularity.

Quarks and leptons are made from two massless base fields and are almost pointlike. In reality they are Planck-sized torus shapes, ie, three large dimensions of a 6D space rolled up to circles, like a 2D space can be rolled up to a cilinder on which we can image a tiny circle for a particle. So 3D space is actually 6D and the 4D substrate actually 7D. The small torus shape in 6D is such that the 6D shape fits nicely on the thin 7D wormhole (which has an appearance of 4D).

For visibility, consider the inside part of a 2D torus. The mouth connects two spaces and has negative curvature. Consider the mouth Planck-sized. From this mouth, because of its negative curvature, can inflate two circles with matter into real existence. From the virtuality around the mouth the real particles are excited. BANG! Two mirrored universes...

Hi Raymond, glad to know you had that "wonderful and gloriously radiating epiphany last year".

I also experienced such an epiphany, which led me to develop a treatise that approaches cosmology from an entirely different perspective.

That's quite some stuff you wrote! I have to read it a few times to let it sink in. You see that the universe sometimes shows itself? Just treat her like a good friend. Of course she'll always keep some!

Am elated you could tolerate the verbosity of my write-ups, and even went to the extent of reading it a few times.

The simplicity of the postulated underlying mechanism that forms the cosmos is like how Richard Fenyman put it:
“I have often made the hypothesis that ultimately physics will not require a mathematical statement, that in the end the machinery will be revealed and the laws will turn out to be simple.”

And I love your descriptions on "The basic form is an open spatially 4D torus. A 4D Planck-sized wormhole connects two infinite 4D spaces on which two closed spherical 3D spheres move away from the central wormhole, the singularity. ".

You have shown a lot of vertices! Niiiice! I did a vortex once in water:

https://youtu.be/_R1YBQACO9U