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[mystery]

yes, it is. However, I can not agree with the choice of the killer and would take any actions possible to interfere with that. The point is that the moral framework and validation are not the same. Some moral frameworks try to manipulate via validation and shame. This can result in a very moral person that has suicidal internal feelings. When we choose to do something moral in exchange for validation that can lead to low self-esteem because of the dependency on external validation. We have probably all heard of cults that result in mass death because the member's validation has been successfully tied to the choices of the cult usually via validation/withholding validation and or shame, terrible things are then done. There is a deep reason that suicide was called out as a sin.

So, yes we can have a terrible killer that has high self-esteem. They still need to be stopped and dealt with.

Self-esteem does not equal morality although we can try to use it to enforce morality.

This sort of a self validation seemingly does not have any boundaries. There is nothing to control that. And in that sense it is harmful to the others. Human is a social being. He cannot do whatever he like because all of his actions have an impact to the others. And that is why moral values are valued and rules and regulations are set. So a self-esteem which has no reference or no borders is a dangerous thing.

Hi Shushan, I can understand your position. I agree that we shall not do whatever we like. At the same time, we shall not defer to another to validate our existence. I believe that self-esteem and morality are different things. Consider if only high morality deffer to others for validation then ultimately the low morality will develop more power and this is an undesirable situation, would you agree?

We also might be touching on individualism vs collectivism. collectivism usually results in lower self-esteem and each individual does not reach full potential as the good of the individual is second to the many.

I do not suggest no borders. We shall live by codes and laws and if those are broken we shall take action.

A group of sheep following a wolf is a dangerous thing.

I agree. Adequate self-esteem and self -validation is essential for the revelation of the full potential of a person. Even child psychiatrists advice parents not to compare their child with other children because it will cause the child to loose self-esteem.

Definitely, if subjected to other's validation, it should be both high and low mortalities, because there is no reason for the exclusion of either of them. Maybe the validation can be done by one for one's own self, but his actions should be judged by the society, and should be corrected if it does any harm.

That's good, agree.

[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

Sy Borg, it appears you moved this topic from the Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute by Jeff Meyer Discussion Forum to the off-topic section and locked it. Is that right? If so, why?

For reference, the quote in the OP is from the book Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute, so I am not sure why the topic was removed from that forum and put in the off-topic section.

Also, why is the topic locked?

[Sy Borg]

Sorry Scott. My mistake. I was so flooded with the Heathcare book spam that I became confused. Unlocked now.

[TryingMyBest]

My point of reference?! No way. Jesus’ theories don’t account for me; or Hegel, for that matter. I accept his good ideas and reject the bad ones. More like an example of a person with absolute commitment and dedication some particular set of values. His followers who continue to behave in confused and careless ways don’t give me peace of mind at all, quite the opposite actually.

I am real, today, here and now. Like, why not love someone who is here on Earth waiting to be acknowledged? Quietly, praying in secret, to a supposed-deity who was killed thousands of years ago helps real people how exactly?
Invite a lonely person to the movies: that’d do more good than 100 prayers.

I exist. Religious people are in denial about the sacred beauty of my existence and their own existence… or they wouldn’t be looking to mythological explanations for their daily distresses. Seriously, invite someone to a movie.

[Thomyum2]

Sorry Scott. My mistake. I was so flooded with the Heathcare book spam that I became confused. Unlocked now.

I've noticed this - what's going on here? All of these new trial users posting about this healthcare book as their very first thread. Why the sudden influx into a philosophy forum just to discuss a book that really isn't philosophy related? This just seems really fishy to me. Strange things that happen on the internet these days...

[Sy Borg]

Sorry Scott. My mistake. I was so flooded with the Heathcare book spam that I became confused. Unlocked now.

I've noticed this - what's going on here? All of these new trial users posting about this healthcare book as their very first thread. Why the sudden influx into a philosophy forum just to discuss a book that really isn't philosophy related? This just seems really fishy to me. Strange things that happen on the internet these days...

I agree, Thom. I assumed that we were being spam-bombed. It's not usual to have a flood of new members talking up a non-philosophy related product on the forum. Not ones that survive the Mad Banner from Straya, anyway :)

[Thomyum2]

Sorry Scott. My mistake. I was so flooded with the Heathcare book spam that I became confused. Unlocked now.

I've noticed this - what's going on here? All of these new trial users posting about this healthcare book as their very first thread. Why the sudden influx into a philosophy forum just to discuss a book that really isn't philosophy related? This just seems really fishy to me. Strange things that happen on the internet these days...

I agree, Thom. I assumed that we were being spam-bombed. It's not usual to have a flood of new members talking up a non-philosophy related product on the forum. Not ones that survive the Mad Banner from Straya, anyway

Have you noticed the similarities in many of the user names and in the styles of the comments in the posts? Sort of suggests to me that these might all be the same individual. I’ve seen this happen on other forums. Very odd. Not sure I understand what the motivation is.

[Sy Borg]

Sorry Scott. My mistake. I was so flooded with the Heathcare book spam that I became confused. Unlocked now.

I've noticed this - what's going on here? All of these new trial users posting about this healthcare book as their very first thread. Why the sudden influx into a philosophy forum just to discuss a book that really isn't philosophy related? This just seems really fishy to me. Strange things that happen on the internet these days...

I agree, Thom. I assumed that we were being spam-bombed. It's not usual to have a flood of new members talking up a non-philosophy related product on the forum. Not ones that survive the Mad Banner from Straya, anyway :)

Have you noticed the similarities in many of the user names and in the styles of the comments in the posts? Sort of suggests to me that these might all be the same individual. I’ve seen this happen on other forums. Very odd. Not sure I understand what the motivation is.

Yes, that's why assumed it was a spam bombing. I've not seen a legitimate case where numerous profiles with commercial email addresses come to a forum to praise a particular product to the high heaven. Maybe the author paid for sponsorship?

[LuckyR]

I've noticed this - what's going on here? All of these new trial users posting about this healthcare book as their very first thread. Why the sudden influx into a philosophy forum just to discuss a book that really isn't philosophy related? This just seems really fishy to me. Strange things that happen on the internet these days...

I agree, Thom. I assumed that we were being spam-bombed. It's not usual to have a flood of new members talking up a non-philosophy related product on the forum. Not ones that survive the Mad Banner from Straya, anyway

Have you noticed the similarities in many of the user names and in the styles of the comments in the posts? Sort of suggests to me that these might all be the same individual. I’ve seen this happen on other forums. Very odd. Not sure I understand what the motivation is.

Yes, that's why assumed it was a spam bombing. I've not seen a legitimate case where numerous profiles with commercial email addresses come to a forum to praise a particular product to the high heaven. Maybe the author paid for sponsorship?

Best case scenario it is legit folks from a book review site.

[Sy Borg]

I agree, Thom. I assumed that we were being spam-bombed. It's not usual to have a flood of new members talking up a non-philosophy related product on the forum. Not ones that survive the Mad Banner from Straya, anyway :)

Have you noticed the similarities in many of the user names and in the styles of the comments in the posts? Sort of suggests to me that these might all be the same individual. I’ve seen this happen on other forums. Very odd. Not sure I understand what the motivation is.

Yes, that's why assumed it was a spam bombing. I've not seen a legitimate case where numerous profiles with commercial email addresses come to a forum to praise a particular product to the high heaven. Maybe the author paid for sponsorship?

Best case scenario it is legit folks from a book review site.

They sure are asking for approval to start a lot of new threads. I'm not optimistic. Consider all this in context with the human capacity to find loopholes that may follow the letter of the law while circumventing the spirit of the law. There's a lot of material that's not meant for readers, but search engines.

[LuckyR]

Have you noticed the similarities in many of the user names and in the styles of the comments in the posts? Sort of suggests to me that these might all be the same individual. I’ve seen this happen on other forums. Very odd. Not sure I understand what the motivation is.

Yes, that's why assumed it was a spam bombing. I've not seen a legitimate case where numerous profiles with commercial email addresses come to a forum to praise a particular product to the high heaven. Maybe the author paid for sponsorship?

Best case scenario it is legit folks from a book review site.

They sure are asking for approval to start a lot of new threads. I'm not optimistic. Consider all this in context with the human capacity to find loopholes that may follow the letter of the law while circumventing the spirit of the law. There's a lot of material that's not meant for readers, but search engines.

Ah so. That doesn't suprise me, remember I said BEST case scenario.