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[Sushan]

The below mentioned quote is found on page 27 of the book for the month of May, Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through by Jeff Meyer.

Following Jesus Will Impact Every Aspect of Your Life, Not Just the “Spiritual” Part

Do you agree? If so, why?

[AverageBozo]

How do [sub][/sub]you follow Jesus? What does following Jesus entail?

[Sushan]

How do [sub][/sub]you follow Jesus? What does following Jesus entail?

Well, I do not follow him (I am not a Catholic). So I cannot comment related to this quote taking examples from myself.

But as I can understand, if we keep aside the spiritual development, you cannot follow or adopt to each and every quality of him or do what he did unless you do not want to have a peaceful mundane life. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Sculptor1]

The below mentioned quote is found on page 27 of the book for the month of May, Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through by Jeff Meyer.

Following Jesus Will Impact Every Aspect of Your Life, Not Just the “Spiritual” Part

Do you agree? If so, why?

When you accept ANY delusion it will have an impact of many aspects of your life.

[Sushan]

The below mentioned quote is found on page 27 of the book for the month of May, Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through by Jeff Meyer.

Following Jesus Will Impact Every Aspect of Your Life, Not Just the “Spiritual” Part

Do you agree? If so, why?

When you accept ANY delusion it will have an impact of many aspects of your life.

You cannot accept or reject a delusion as it is a condition related to mental health. Actually it is an illness and has to be treated. But the religious beliefs, however much they are hard to believe, are excluded from the category of delusions because they have a cultural and a social background.

When you are having delusions, yes then you will attribute each and everything that you face either directly or indirectly to that delusion. And that is how secondary delusions occur.

[mystery]

The below mentioned quote is found on page 27 of the book for the month of May, Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through by Jeff Meyer.

Following Jesus Will Impact Every Aspect of Your Life, Not Just the “Spiritual” Part

Do you agree? If so, why?

Hi Sushan,

It would be easy to make technical points on this topic, that avoid the issue. Instead, I'll just tell, yes I agree.

Usually, in this context follow means to try to behave and react in the ways suggested by Jesus. If doing that the impact is much, spiritual, physical, psychological, emotional, probably others I don't list. It is a lifestyle and decision framework for everything if being congruent. I have not read the book but familiar with the idea. For example, one can be a thief and tell that following Jesus. That would not be congruent as those activities are not endorsed by Jesus.

Spiritual itself touches all parts of our life, by only touching that will affect all.

[Sushan]

The below mentioned quote is found on page 27 of the book for the month of May, Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through by Jeff Meyer.

Following Jesus Will Impact Every Aspect of Your Life, Not Just the “Spiritual” Part

Do you agree? If so, why?

Hi Sushan,

It would be easy to make technical points on this topic, that avoid the issue. Instead, I'll just tell, yes I agree.

Usually, in this context follow means to try to behave and react in the ways suggested by Jesus. If doing that the impact is much, spiritual, physical, psychological, emotional, probably others I don't list. It is a lifestyle and decision framework for everything if being congruent. I have not read the book but familiar with the idea. For example, one can be a thief and tell that following Jesus. That would not be congruent as those activities are not endorsed by Jesus.

Spiritual itself touches all parts of our life, by only touching that will affect all.

Hi mystery,

Thank you for your valuable opinion.

You have a valid point. One can adopt what Jesus did as a human to one's lifestyle and that will impact all activities related to his life. But given the life that Jesus led and how he ended up, will it be healthy for a person at present to fully adopt to His lifestyle?

[Sculptor1]

The below mentioned quote is found on page 27 of the book for the month of May, Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through by Jeff Meyer.

Following Jesus Will Impact Every Aspect of Your Life, Not Just the “Spiritual” Part

Do you agree? If so, why?

When you accept ANY delusion it will have an impact of many aspects of your life.

You cannot accept or reject a delusion as it is a condition related to mental health.

I do not agree with that. As Mark Twain once said “Having faith is believing in something you just know ain't true.”
People chose between reason and faith. Having faith is a conscious decision to reject all the nagging doubts about religion.

Actually it is an illness and has to be treated. But the religious beliefs, however much they are hard to believe, are excluded from the category of delusions because they have a cultural and a social background.

The world is constructed from a series of delusion without which civilisation would fall.

When you are having delusions, yes then you will attribute each and everything that you face either directly or indirectly to that delusion. And that is how secondary delusions occur.

Common delusions: belief, patriotism, nationalism, team support, money as value, wealth gives happiness, afterlife, racial purity, conspiracy theories (some might be true, but evidence cannot really justify belief).
I'm sure you can think of many more such as soldiers are not meant to kill.

[Sushan]

The below mentioned quote is found on page 27 of the book for the month of May, Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through by Jeff Meyer.



Do you agree? If so, why?

When you accept ANY delusion it will have an impact of many aspects of your life.

You cannot accept or reject a delusion as it is a condition related to mental health.

I do not agree with that. As Mark Twain once said “Having faith is believing in something you just know ain't true.”
People chose between reason and faith. Having faith is a conscious decision to reject all the nagging doubts about religion.

Actually it is an illness and has to be treated. But the religious beliefs, however much they are hard to believe, are excluded from the category of delusions because they have a cultural and a social background.

The world is constructed from a series of delusion without which civilisation would fall.

When you are having delusions, yes then you will attribute each and everything that you face either directly or indirectly to that delusion. And that is how secondary delusions occur.

Common delusions: belief, patriotism, nationalism, team support, money as value, wealth gives happiness, afterlife, racial purity, conspiracy theories (some might be true, but evidence cannot really justify belief).
I'm sure you can think of many more such as soldiers are not meant to kill.

Seemingly you are taking the term 'delusion' in a light manner.

It has a specific meaning. A delusion is a firm belief, which is not amenable by reasoning, but not supported by cultural or religious beliefs. By that definition, most of your 'so called delusions' are excluded from being told as a delusion. People can have various beliefs, but it is not correct and also not a good thing to name them unnecessarily as delusions because it is a technical term.

For the notice, there is no belief as 'soldiers are not meant to be killed'. They are not to be killed unnecessarily, but they know that going to battle can be a one way ticket. And that is common to brass as well as grunts.

[mystery]

The below mentioned quote is found on page 27 of the book for the month of May, Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through by Jeff Meyer.

Following Jesus Will Impact Every Aspect of Your Life, Not Just the “Spiritual” Part

Do you agree? If so, why?

Hi Sushan,

It would be easy to make technical points on this topic, that avoid the issue. Instead, I'll just tell, yes I agree.

Usually, in this context follow means to try to behave and react in the ways suggested by Jesus. If doing that the impact is much, spiritual, physical, psychological, emotional, probably others I don't list. It is a lifestyle and decision framework for everything if being congruent. I have not read the book but familiar with the idea. For example, one can be a thief and tell that following Jesus. That would not be congruent as those activities are not endorsed by Jesus.

Spiritual itself touches all parts of our life, by only touching that will affect all.

Hi mystery,

Thank you for your valuable opinion.

You have a valid point. One can adopt what Jesus did as a human to one's lifestyle and that will impact all activities related to his life. But given the life that Jesus led and how he ended up, will it be healthy for a person at present to fully adopt to His lifestyle?

I will love to hear other opinions on this also.

I don't think so, I wish that it would be, and not in a way that many have build systems around his memory but in a way to truly follow the same ideals he did. The only way that makes sense is if it was tied to the eternal as is his promise. Otherwise no, the truth of human nature is that the strong take all and decide what is allowed to the less strong. Following Jesus is a path to evolutionary removal. Reward in heaven perhaps, on earth, no. Biological selection will reward the strong, not the just. It is what it is.

[Sushan]

The below mentioned quote is found on page 27 of the book for the month of May, Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through by Jeff Meyer.



Do you agree? If so, why?

Hi Sushan,

It would be easy to make technical points on this topic, that avoid the issue. Instead, I'll just tell, yes I agree.

Usually, in this context follow means to try to behave and react in the ways suggested by Jesus. If doing that the impact is much, spiritual, physical, psychological, emotional, probably others I don't list. It is a lifestyle and decision framework for everything if being congruent. I have not read the book but familiar with the idea. For example, one can be a thief and tell that following Jesus. That would not be congruent as those activities are not endorsed by Jesus.

Spiritual itself touches all parts of our life, by only touching that will affect all.

Hi mystery,

Thank you for your valuable opinion.

You have a valid point. One can adopt what Jesus did as a human to one's lifestyle and that will impact all activities related to his life. But given the life that Jesus led and how he ended up, will it be healthy for a person at present to fully adopt to His lifestyle?

I will love to hear other opinions on this also.

I don't think so, I wish that it would be, and not in a way that many have build systems around his memory but in a way to truly follow the same ideals he did. The only way that makes sense is if it was tied to the eternal as is his promise. Otherwise no, the truth of human nature is that the strong take all and decide what is allowed to the less strong. Following Jesus is a path to evolutionary removal. Reward in heaven perhaps, on earth, no. Biological selection will reward the strong, not the just. It is what it is.

Biological selection and the strong one winning are things that we have experienced throughout the history and we are experiencing that today as well. But, has anyone seen heaven or has experienced spiritual development other than being heard of someone else's sayings? In such a background, is it wise to take a step away from evolution and go after an unknown, unseen heaven and a spiritual development giving up all the mundane comforts?

[Sculptor1]

When you accept ANY delusion it will have an impact of many aspects of your life.

You cannot accept or reject a delusion as it is a condition related to mental health.

I do not agree with that. As Mark Twain once said “Having faith is believing in something you just know ain't true.”
People chose between reason and faith. Having faith is a conscious decision to reject all the nagging doubts about religion.

Actually it is an illness and has to be treated. But the religious beliefs, however much they are hard to believe, are excluded from the category of delusions because they have a cultural and a social background.

The world is constructed from a series of delusion without which civilisation would fall.

When you are having delusions, yes then you will attribute each and everything that you face either directly or indirectly to that delusion. And that is how secondary delusions occur.

Common delusions: belief, patriotism, nationalism, team support, money as value, wealth gives happiness, afterlife, racial purity, conspiracy theories (some might be true, but evidence cannot really justify belief).
I'm sure you can think of many more such as soldiers are not meant to kill.

Seemingly you are taking the term 'delusion' in a light manner.

Indeed not. Common delusions are very serious indeed.
Human society is dangerously deluded.
People are killed every day due to delusions.

It has a specific meaning. A delusion is a firm belief, which is not amenable by reasoning, but not supported by cultural or religious beliefs. By that definition, most of your 'so called delusions' are excluded from being told as a delusion. People can have various beliefs, but it is not correct and also not a good thing to name them unnecessarily as delusions because it is a technical term.

Says who?

For the notice, there is no belief as 'soldiers are not meant to be killed'. They are not to be killed unnecessarily, but they know that going to battle can be a one way ticket. And that is common to brass as well as grunts.

[Sushan]

You cannot accept or reject a delusion as it is a condition related to mental health.

I do not agree with that. As Mark Twain once said “Having faith is believing in something you just know ain't true.”
People chose between reason and faith. Having faith is a conscious decision to reject all the nagging doubts about religion.

Actually it is an illness and has to be treated. But the religious beliefs, however much they are hard to believe, are excluded from the category of delusions because they have a cultural and a social background.

The world is constructed from a series of delusion without which civilisation would fall.

When you are having delusions, yes then you will attribute each and everything that you face either directly or indirectly to that delusion. And that is how secondary delusions occur.

Common delusions: belief, patriotism, nationalism, team support, money as value, wealth gives happiness, afterlife, racial purity, conspiracy theories (some might be true, but evidence cannot really justify belief).
I'm sure you can think of many more such as soldiers are not meant to kill.

Seemingly you are taking the term 'delusion' in a light manner.

Indeed not. Common delusions are very serious indeed.
Human society is dangerously deluded.
People are killed every day due to delusions.

It has a specific meaning. A delusion is a firm belief, which is not amenable by reasoning, but not supported by cultural or religious beliefs. By that definition, most of your 'so called delusions' are excluded from being told as a delusion. People can have various beliefs, but it is not correct and also not a good thing to name them unnecessarily as delusions because it is a technical term.

Says who?

For the notice, there is no belief as 'soldiers are not meant to be killed'. They are not to be killed unnecessarily, but they know that going to battle can be a one way ticket. And that is common to brass as well as grunts.

You can check any psychiatry book or even google and see the meaning of the word 'delusion'. There are many terms that are misused. But that does not change its meaning, only the meaning is manipulated by various people for their own agendas. There are occasions that though someone can read a word, cannot understand it properly. That also does not change the real meaning of that word.

People can be deluded by various things. And if they cause harm to others because of that, they are taken into mental health related hospitals under a mental health act and treated accordingly. But the things that some people do due to their personal agendas cannot be categorized as delusions because they have their own motives for their acts and behaviours.

[Sculptor1]

I do not agree with that. As Mark Twain once said “Having faith is believing in something you just know ain't true.”
People chose between reason and faith. Having faith is a conscious decision to reject all the nagging doubts about religion.

The world is constructed from a series of delusion without which civilisation would fall.


Common delusions: belief, patriotism, nationalism, team support, money as value, wealth gives happiness, afterlife, racial purity, conspiracy theories (some might be true, but evidence cannot really justify belief).
I'm sure you can think of many more such as soldiers are not meant to kill.

Seemingly you are taking the term 'delusion' in a light manner.

Indeed not. Common delusions are very serious indeed.
Human society is dangerously deluded.
People are killed every day due to delusions.

It has a specific meaning. A delusion is a firm belief, which is not amenable by reasoning, but not supported by cultural or religious beliefs. By that definition, most of your 'so called delusions' are excluded from being told as a delusion. People can have various beliefs, but it is not correct and also not a good thing to name them unnecessarily as delusions because it is a technical term.

Says who?

For the notice, there is no belief as 'soldiers are not meant to be killed'. They are not to be killed unnecessarily, but they know that going to battle can be a one way ticket. And that is common to brass as well as grunts.

You can check any psychiatry book or even google and see the meaning of the word 'delusion'.

Neither psychologists nor psychologists invented the word. It had coinage 300 years before the "art" of psychology.
So the rest of your offering is null and void.
Monopolies do not exist on words.

There are many terms that are misused. But that does not change its meaning, only the meaning is manipulated by various people for their own agendas. There are occasions that though someone can read a word, cannot understand it properly. That also does not change the real meaning of that word.

People can be deluded by various things. And if they cause harm to others because of that, they are taken into mental health related hospitals under a mental health act and treated accordingly. But the things that some people do due to their personal agendas cannot be categorized as delusions because they have their own motives for their acts and behaviours.

Have you ever stopped to consdier the depths of your own quotidian delusions?

[Sushan]

Seemingly you are taking the term 'delusion' in a light manner.

Indeed not. Common delusions are very serious indeed.
Human society is dangerously deluded.
People are killed every day due to delusions.

It has a specific meaning. A delusion is a firm belief, which is not amenable by reasoning, but not supported by cultural or religious beliefs. By that definition, most of your 'so called delusions' are excluded from being told as a delusion. People can have various beliefs, but it is not correct and also not a good thing to name them unnecessarily as delusions because it is a technical term.

Says who?

For the notice, there is no belief as 'soldiers are not meant to be killed'. They are not to be killed unnecessarily, but they know that going to battle can be a one way ticket. And that is common to brass as well as grunts.

You can check any psychiatry book or even google and see the meaning of the word 'delusion'.

Neither psychologists nor psychologists invented the word. It had coinage 300 years before the "art" of psychology.
So the rest of your offering is null and void.
Monopolies do not exist on words.

There are many terms that are misused. But that does not change its meaning, only the meaning is manipulated by various people for their own agendas. There are occasions that though someone can read a word, cannot understand it properly. That also does not change the real meaning of that word.

People can be deluded by various things. And if they cause harm to others because of that, they are taken into mental health related hospitals under a mental health act and treated accordingly. But the things that some people do due to their personal agendas cannot be categorized as delusions because they have their own motives for their acts and behaviours.

Have you ever stopped to consdier the depths of your own quotidian delusions?

Everything cannot be defined by history. Something coming into practice early does not make it right. I may have my delusions and I will keep them (but I only used the word 'delusions' only for the sake of your understanding. I am not having any firm beliefs related to anything. If you can prove me wrong, I will accept at any point).

A word which is used wrong by the common people does not change its meaning. But someone accepting that distorted meaning makes his intellect less valuable, and when that someone argues upon that it becomes humorous.