Papus79 wrote: ↑January 9th, 2021, 10:54 am
evolution wrote: ↑January 9th, 2021, 4:46 am
It could be said, and argued, this is only the case if one has a distorted perception of what 'time', itself, actually is.
The way people who want to actually get responses generally go about this is by asking much more specific and narrow questions about the integrity of space-time,
The way that 'you', people, for thousands of years, have generally been getting responses to your questions is NOT working all that well, correct?
If 'you', people, answered this specific and narrow question with integrity, and thus TRULY Honestly, then 'you' would SEE just how inconsistent 'your' views are in relation to the Universe, Itself.
So, to start to ACTUALLY get REAL responses about some 'thing', like for example; 'space', 'time', and/or 'space-time', then a clear and precise definition of these 'things' has to be agreed with and accepted PRIOR to any REAL discussion/responses about 'them' takes place.
I will START by asking 'you', "papus79", so what EXACTLY is 'space', 'time', AND 'space-time'? And, does YOUR definition fit PERFECTLY with 'quantum mechanics' and with 'relativity'?
If no, then WHY NOT?
As I said earlier, some of the views 'you', people things, have is only because of the distorted perceptions, and thus distorted and WRONG definitions, you give and have for 'things', like 'time', itself.
Now, if you REALLY WANT to have a discussion about 'things' like 'time' AND 'space', then I suggest that you either provide ACTUAL definitions, which fit PERFECTLY together, or you just become and remain OPEN to LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' from another 'way', another perspective.
'you', people, in the days of when this was written, could keep babbling on about 'space-time', as though 'you' KNOW what 'it' is, or you could just admit that REALLY 'you' are NOT that much closer to understanding thee ACTUAL Universe, Itself, and just become OPEN, AGAIN, and START AGAIN.
Papus79 wrote: ↑January 9th, 2021, 10:54 am
like proposing areas where the math is ambiguous or possibly suggests something else, rather than 'prove space-time isn't BS'.
Well OBVIOUSLY one would have to be, what is generally known as, a "mathematician", to be able to be accepted to speak about the "math". And, just as OBVIOUS is the fact that NOT every one is a, so called, "mathematician". Just like NOT every one is a "magician".
Also, for the NON "mathematicians" among 'you' the, so called, "math' could just be, in itself, a form of DELUSION to trick, fool, and/or deceive, correct? After all 'you' NON "magicians" get tricked, fooled, and/or deceived fairly easily. In fact even to some, so called, "magicians" they also get tricked, fooled, and/or deceived quite easily and simply, by other, so called, "magicians". So, this fact could relate to the, so called, "mathematicians" ALSO. Which, by the way, thee True, Right, and Correct Answer to this question is soon, relative to when this was written, to come to light.
I suggest here too that if you want to talk about 'space-time' is or is NOT "BS", then 'you' START by providing a definition of what 'space-time' IS, EXACTLY. THEN, we can start to LOOK AT the "math" if that so pleases 'you'.
Papus79 wrote: ↑January 9th, 2021, 10:54 am
Otherwise, as you do with most of your interrogations of other posters you're effectively saying 'write me a book of everything you've learned about x and I'll decide whether I find it interesting or not'.
Well this is a PRIME EXAMPLE of one having a completely DISTORTED PERCEPTION, which if you recall was what I was suggesting to NOT have, in the quote you got from me and which you are responding to here.
I will, ONCE AGAIN, suggest DO NOT ASSUME ANY 'thing'. That way 'you' will NOT end up with COMPLETELY WRONG and DISTORTED PERCEPTIONS, like 'you' OBVIOUSLY have here now.
Papus79 wrote: ↑January 9th, 2021, 10:54 am
If you have no obligation to bring your own knowledge up to speed to try to jump in at the front of the conversation rather than having other members unpack the entire topic in its entirety then there's an asymmetry of rules - ie. rules you're asking other people to follow that you won't follow yourself.
Could it even be just a POSSIBILITY that 'you', human being's, views of 'things' are NOT consistent with one another, and thus NOT consistent with thee Universe, Itself, or that I ACTUALLY KNOW what I am talking about here?
Or, to 'you', "papus79", could this just NOT be a POSSIBILITY, AT ALL?
Your Honest answer to this specific and narrow clarifying question here would be much appreciated?
Oh I nearly forgot if you really want to have a LOGICALLY REASONED discussion here about 'time', itself, then will you provide YOUR definition for the word 'time'?
Also, does YOUR definition for the word 'time' fit PERFECTLY with EVERY thing else?
If no, then WHY NOT?
But if yes, then will you SHOW us HOW?