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[evolution]

Please rephrase anything I may have ignored unintentionally.
The problem of evil which Earthellism solves is how a omnipotent God would allow extreme suffering of innocence. The answer God does not allow it, God just cannot prevent it here because on earthell God is not here.

The problem of evil is about the omni properties. So if we're saying that God is not omnipresent, how is that solving the problem of evil? The whole objection is that God can't be omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, etc., given that there is evil.

When you discover or learn how, what will soon be created, then you will understand HOW and WHY there can be and IS an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent God. Evil had to come to exist first, for there to come to be an everlasting Truly peaceful and loving world.

By allowing you adult human beings to commit the evil that you all do, the longer you do, then, seemingly contradictory, the quicker a Truly peaceful and harmonious world begins, and the more longer and everlasting peace and happiness will be.

If you say, "God is not omnipresent," then what are you solving? You're rather agreeing with the objection that God can't be omnipresent, etc.

If they are saying that God is not here, on earth, then they would also have to say God's love is not here also. Unless, of course, they can explain how this could be logically possible.

[evolution]

Earthellism explains that innocent suffering and pain and death here is not God’s will.

Did not ALL previous religious teachings explain that innocent suffering and pain and death is not God's will?

Was this fact really only revealed to you through something you call "earthellism"?

God being all-loving is more important than Being all-present.

What you personally determine to be more "important" has no bearing on the fact that 'omni' or 'all' in relation to 'love' and 'present' means thee exact same thing.

Some thing cannot be ALL-present but not be somewhere.

What appears to be happening here is that you are 'trying' absolutely anything to "justify" your own position, which has obviously been completely eroded by atheists points of views.

This allows atheist to say the suffering here is not due to a a evil God but a God who is not here but above us fully compensating as we we suffer here on earthell.

Are you now one of the so called "suffering innocent ones"?

Look it is extremely simple and easy to explain, and understand, how God is creating ALL of what is happening and occurring here. But using terms like an omnipresent God is not here on earth, will not help your case.

Sure it may appear and may feel like God is not here, especially with ALL of the wrong being continually done by adult human beings, but either God is here or God is not. You cannot have it logically both ways.

How and why ALL adult human beings commit or perform evil or wrong doing and how God is still here ever-present can be very easily and very simply explained.

[evolution]

Earthellism answers the question about the foundation for this new philosophy : the book "The Life and Death of Planet Earth."
This book asks someone to to digest the facts in it and create a philosophy to tie it all together with the Bible and other scriptures.
In that book they define hell

How is the word 'hell' defined in that book?

and that all life is recycled and that we will all be in another solar system after 7 billion years.

Who is the 'we all', who will supposedly be in another solar system after seven billion years?

Read the Epilogue on page 208 first then read the rest of the book. It is a hard book to read but is my version of the Final Testament in that
it answers many questions that are unanswered in the Bible and objectively proves the existence of God, the human soul and Heaven.

If that book is the so called "final testament" is one thing, but saying things like; "In that book they define hell and that we will all be in another solar system after seven billion years does NOT saying anything at all really, and especially does NOT prove anything at all. Besides the fact that defining hell and we will all be living in some other solar system some time from now does not logically follow on from each other, nor even has anything really to do with each other, what have these two things got to do with absolutely anything else here?

[Steve3007]

He won't address the substance of your questions. He will tell you he is answering them by simply repeating his core message in various superficially re-worded forms.

Earthellism was born from the ashes of World War II and the book “The Life and Death of Planet Earth”...

And so it will presumably continue for another 7 years. Sadly, Terrapin Station, I don't think you're going to get your interesting discussion.

[Jing or Jang]

The concepts of Heaven or Hell are typically associated with a God who makes judgement on people's action during their life. But assume that God doesn't exist does that mean that there is no Heaven or He'll?

I maintain that Heaven or He'll is a function of whether we have an after life. This too does not have to be a function of the existence of God. Rather it is a function of our entire physical and metaphysical existence. It is certainly possible that our existence does not end when we die regardless of whether there is a God to make it happen. So then the question is what would that existence be?

It is possible that our type of existence will be a function of our actions on earth. I don't believe that it will be the Middle Ages concept of forever floating angels in Heaven or eternally burning bodies in Hell. But if we come back with all of our thoughts and memories and with an enlightened view of our world, then the consequence of our actions could force us to exist in a form of heaven or hell. It is not God's judgement, it becomes self judgement.

Science has pretty much discredited everything of importance in the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran but that only means that life probably didn't happen according to the scriptures. However, that fact does not disprove the existence of a God or heaven & hell by some other means.

[Marvin_Edwards]

Heaven and Hell are allegories for two alternative conditions on Earth. As the ratio of people who seek good for others as well as for themselves increases, life on Earth becomes better for everyone, that is, more like Heaven. As the ratio of people who seek to benefit themselves at the expense of others increases, life on Earth becomes worse, more like Hell on Earth.

So, yes, Heaven or Hell can exist, here on Earth, and we've all seen examples of both in our lifetimes.

[Darshan]

Earthellism defines the problem of evil as the following:
Evil exists so either a loving God wants us to suffer making God sadistic or God does not exist.
Earthellism says a loving God does exist but cannot stop the suffering here on earthell because God is not here.
God is in Heaven and only his love is here.
In Christianity, Jesus the son of God was sent here to live and die a painful and brutal death. Jesus accepted this torturous death to pay for our sins. God cried 2 oceans of tears to see his son murdered in such a way and welcomed him back to Heaven.

[Belindi]

Earthellism defines the problem of evil as the following:
Evil exists so either a loving God wants us to suffer making God sadistic or God does not exist.
Earthellism says a loving God does exist but cannot stop the suffering here on earthell because God is not here.
God is in Heaven and only his love is here.
In Christianity, Jesus the son of God was sent here to live and die a painful and brutal death. Jesus accepted this torturous death to pay for our sins. God cried 2 oceans of tears to see his son murdered in such a way and welcomed him back to Heaven.

Either God can intervene or he cannot intervene. If God sent Jesus here to die for our sins then God can intervene and can stop all suffering if he wants to.


There is more to suffering than people behaving badly.Jesus did not die to stop infestations of locusts resulting in crop failure and starvation.

[evolution]

Earthellism defines the problem of evil as the following:
Evil exists so either a loving God wants us to suffer making God sadistic or God does not exist.

But a loving God obviously does not want anyone to suffer.

Earthellism says a loving God does exist but cannot stop the suffering here on earthell because God is not here.

Well that is a very weak, invalid and unsound argument to say the least.

Let us agree that God exists.
God is omnipresent.
A loving God could obviously stop the suffering here on earth.
The only ones who commit evil or wrong here on earth, which is what actually causes all and the only suffering, is human beings.
If human beings just listened to thee ever-present loving God, instead of their own egotistical self-justifying selves, then God could stop ALL of the human being caused suffering here on earth.
So, God can stop the suffering, but God can not make you listen.

God is in Heaven and only his love is here.

When human beings listen to their own conscience, and do what is actually Right for EVERY one, then they will be doing on earth, as it is in heaven.

The saying God is in heaven, just means God lives in a heaven/peaceful like existence. This can only happen on a planet where there is a species existing, which KNOWS what is Right in Life. When ALL human beings are living God-like, then they will be living in heaven, with God.

In Christianity, Jesus the son of God was sent here to live and die a painful and brutal death. Jesus accepted this torturous death to pay for our sins. God cried 2 oceans of tears to see his son murdered in such a way and welcomed him back to Heaven.

Just re-repeating things that you have previously heard before, without ever being able to elaborate on them nor clarify them, then you are really saying nothing at all.

Are you able to elaborate on any of what you have said here in this quote?

Are you able to at all clarify how of this relates in the actual world or life we are living in now?

[evolution]

Earthellism defines the problem of evil as the following:
Evil exists so either a loving God wants us to suffer making God sadistic or God does not exist.
Earthellism says a loving God does exist but cannot stop the suffering here on earthell because God is not here.
God is in Heaven and only his love is here.
In Christianity, Jesus the son of God was sent here to live and die a painful and brutal death. Jesus accepted this torturous death to pay for our sins. God cried 2 oceans of tears to see his son murdered in such a way and welcomed him back to Heaven.

Either God can intervene or he cannot intervene. If God sent Jesus here to die for our sins then God can intervene and can stop all suffering if he wants to.

Can a parent make a child behave a certain way all of the time?

The answer is obviously No. God and human beings are the exact same.

God can instruct, guide, and teach human beings what the Right thing is, and what the Right thing to do is, for as long as it takes. But, God cannot make human beings behave in any certain way all of the time. Human beings are absolutely free to choose what way they want to think and to the way they want to behave, or misbehave.

There is more to suffering than people behaving badly.Jesus did not die to stop infestations of locusts resulting in crop failure and starvation.

People only suffer if their crops fail because of their love of money/greed. If human beings were not greedy, then they would not suffer from an infestation of locusts.

See, suffering itself is only a result of the way one thinks about things.

ALL suffering on earth can be alleviated just by the way human beings look at and see things.

[Terrapin Station]

Earthellism defines the problem of evil as the following:
Evil exists so either a loving God wants us to suffer making God sadistic or God does not exist.
Earthellism says a loving God does exist but cannot stop the suffering here on earthell because God is not here.
God is in Heaven and only his love is here.
In Christianity, Jesus the son of God was sent here to live and die a painful and brutal death. Jesus accepted this torturous death to pay for our sins. God cried 2 oceans of tears to see his son murdered in such a way and welcomed him back to Heaven.

So you're defining "the problem of evil" different than what most people are talking about with that term . . . which won't end up persuading anyone to a different view.

[Darshan]

Earthellism defines Hell as a place where God is not present and Heaven as a place where God is present.
The book "The Life and Death of Planet Earth" is the foundation of Earthellism and clearly defines Hell and Heaven.
The surface of earth is the location of Hell and Heaven is located in our solar system somewhere between our atmosphere and between Earth and Mars and Venus. God is the pilot of our solar system and our planet and solar system travels at 2 million miles an hour in our our galaxy and Universe.
Earth is travelling over 1 million miles per hour in our galaxy and our galaxy is travelling another 1 million miles per hour in the Universe. Earth is the perfect mother spaceship for our souls and in 6 billion years when our sun dies and cremates earth and our solar system dies, God will escort us to our next solar system.

[Sy Borg]

The surface of earth is the location of Hell and Heaven is located in our solar system somewhere between our atmosphere and between Earth and Mars and Venus.

In other words, the space between the orbits of Venus and Mars is heaven - aside from a pesky blue orb that swings by every now and then.

Space seems to be far from being heavenly - a lack of air and a preponderance of deadly radiation doth not heaven make.

[Darshan]

Heaven is in our solar system because God is in our solar system and the exact location is near God.