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[Terrapin Station]

"Makes sense" is a crass misunderstanding of what the point of logic was. Logic has always been about the implicational relationships of propositions.

Logic has two main meanings, you use that one I use this one. Of course I've wondered about this before and concluded that I'll keep using this one.

What would be an example of a dictionary defining logic as "something that makes sense"?

[Terrapin Station]

Yes, but logic always does make sense, if one understands the beginning proposition and the conclusions that follow and the way in which they are related.

If only this were the case for students in logic courses, especially more advanced or deviant logic courses.

[Atla]

What would be an example of a dictionary defining logic as "something that makes sense"?

You mean something like this?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... lish/logic

logic
noun [ U ]
UK /ˈlɒdʒ.ɪk/ US /ˈlɑː.dʒɪk/
logic noun (REASONABLE THINKING)

C1
a particular way of thinking, especially one that is reasonable and based on good judgment:
I fail to see the logic behind his argument.
If prices go up, wages will go up too - that's just logic.
There's no logic in the decision to reduce staff when orders are the highest they have been for years.
The internal logic of her argument is undeniable.

[Terrapin Station]

What would be an example of a dictionary defining logic as "something that makes sense"?

You mean something like this?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... lish/logic

logic
noun [ U ]
UK /ˈlɒdʒ.ɪk/ US /ˈlɑː.dʒɪk/
logic noun (REASONABLE THINKING)

C1
a particular way of thinking, especially one that is reasonable and based on good judgment:
I fail to see the logic behind his argument.
If prices go up, wages will go up too - that's just logic.
There's no logic in the decision to reduce staff when orders are the highest they have been for years.
The internal logic of her argument is undeniable.

Yes, like that. That's not just "something that makes sense," reasoning is a matter of seeing the implicational relations of statements.

[chewybrian]

Yes, but logic always does make sense, if one understands the beginning proposition and the conclusions that follow and the way in which they are related.

If only this were the case for students in logic courses, especially more advanced or deviant logic courses.

Sorry, but I did not realize you were a deviant type...

[Atla]

You mean something like this?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... lish/logic

logic
noun
UK /ˈlɒdʒ.ɪk/ US /ˈlɑː.dʒɪk/
logic noun (REASONABLE THINKING)

C1
a particular way of thinking, especially one that is reasonable and based on good judgment:
I fail to see the logic behind his argument.
If prices go up, wages will go up too - that's just logic.
There's no logic in the decision to reduce staff when orders are the highest they have been for years.
The internal logic of her argument is undeniable.

Yes, like that. That's not just "something that makes sense," reasoning is a matter of seeing the implicational relations of statements.

You are just dismissing what you just read. Reasonable thinking makes sense. Accepting contradictions doesn't make sense. Even though you can create a "logic" using your meaning for both.

[Terrapin Station]

Yes, like that. That's not just "something that makes sense," reasoning is a matter of seeing the implicational relations of statements.

You are just dismissing what you just read. Reasonable thinking makes sense. Accepting contradictions doesn't make sense. Even though you can create a "logic" using your meaning for both.

It's not dismissing it. Reasoning is seeing implicational relations. We can see implicational relations where we allow some contradictions.

[Atla]

You are just dismissing what you just read. Reasonable thinking makes sense. Accepting contradictions doesn't make sense. Even though you can create a "logic" using your meaning for both.

It's not dismissing it. Reasoning is seeing implicational relations. We can see implicational relations where we allow some contradictions.

You are just dismissing what you just read. It says "reasonable thinking", not "reasoning".

[Terrapin Station]

It's not dismissing it. Reasoning is seeing implicational relations. We can see implicational relations where we allow some contradictions.

You are just dismissing what you just read. It says "reasonable thinking", not "reasoning".

If it doesn't work the first time, just repeat the same thing I guess. At least that keeps our post counts up.

You know that "reasonable" and "reasoning" are both forms of the root word, "reason," right?

[Atla]

You are just dismissing what you just read. It says "reasonable thinking", not "reasoning".

If it doesn't work the first time, just repeat the same thing I guess. At least that keeps our post counts up.

You know that "reasonable" and "reasoning" are both forms of the root word, "reason," right?

Is English your first language?

[Terrapin Station]

If it doesn't work the first time, just repeat the same thing I guess. At least that keeps our post counts up.

You know that "reasonable" and "reasoning" are both forms of the root word, "reason," right?

Is English your first language?

Does that mean you do or do not know that "reasonable" and "reasoning" are both grammatical permutations of the root term "reason"?

[Atla]

Is English your first language?

Does that mean you do or do not know that "reasonable" and "reasoning" are both grammatical permutations of the root term "reason"?

No, a cheap shot as usual. One might get the impression that this is all they teach in academia nowadays.

In English, "reasonable" typically means sensible, it's rarely used in the sense that you use the words logic and reason.

Anyway we can have logic/reason/reasonable simply mean that concepts are related in any way we want, as long that way is followed. Then logic/reason/reasonable in philosophy no longer means that our philosophy has to make any sense. I don't see the point of that though.

[Terrapin Station]

Does that mean you do or do not know that "reasonable" and "reasoning" are both grammatical permutations of the root term "reason"?

No, a cheap shot as usual. One might get the impression that this is all they teach in academia nowadays.

In English, "reasonable" typically means sensible, it's rarely used in the sense that you use the words logic and reason.

Anyway we can have logic/reason/reasonable simply mean that concepts are related in any way we want, as long that way is followed. Then logic/reason/reasonable in philosophy no longer means that our philosophy has to make any sense. I don't see the point of that though.

It's a simple question. Either you realize that both terms are grammatical permuatations of the same root word or you do not. So I'm asking if you're aware of this. I'm not interested in you avoiding answering.

[Terrapin Station]

If you want to argue that the grammatical permutations have different connotations that's fine. But it's not what I asked you about. I expect you to not be an ass and avoid questions. There's no way I'd put up with that if we were talking in person.

[Atla]

If you want to argue that the grammatical permutations have different connotations that's fine. But it's not what I asked you about. I expect you to not be an ass and avoid questions. There's no way I'd put up with that if we were talking in person.

Yes, avoid the actual issue, another thing they might teach in academia. Make cheap shots and claim that the other one is an ass.
It's difficult to bend "reason" to your usage of "logic", and even more difficult to bend "reasonable thinking" to it. Also, having the same root isn't quite the same as a grammatical permutation.