BigBango wrote: ↑Yesterday, 6:35 am
I certainly agree with Tamminen. There is no world without subjects.
Sculptor1: And yet the earth will abide regardless of humans; began before we existed and shall persist long after we are extinct.
BigBango wrote:
I certainly agree with Tamminen. There is no [perceived] world without subjects.
RJG wrote: "[perceived]" inserted by RJG for clarity.Basically we have assertion, then counterassertion in both these exchanges (RJG's response is more complicated, but it asserts that it is a conflation, and implicity asserts that the world is independent of subjects perceiving it.
You mean to say "There is no perceived world without subjects." ...right?
A "perceived world" is not the same as a "real world", ...true?
Falsely conflating the "perceived world" (subjective) as the real "world" (objective) is the error in Tamminen's philosophy.
So we have assertion and counter-assertion. And as far as I can tell no good way to get past this.