Eduk wrote: ↑January 10th, 2018, 9:06 am
Nameless I'd like to meet up with you for a beer and a chat about time. Next Monday good for you? Then again if you agree to meet next Monday but have no concept of time I guess you might turn up last Monday and we would miss each other?
Should I, or anyone, agree to meet with you next Monday ('next' Monday never comes, it is always Here! Now! Some Here! Nows are on Monday), your Monday, in your time zone.
Knowing of our proposed meeting, we'll both see whether our paths converge, on Monday. We'll Know... on Monday.
No one can intellectually honestly 100% commit to any 'future' meeting, unless he's a Prophet.
My point being that time is a useful concept.
Of course it is, and I'm not disputing that.
It helps to theorize/define the common experience of 'reality', ie; 'motion'.
Of course, no motion means no necessity for the theory of time.
The flat earth theory was a "useful concept", at the time.
Perhaps the concept might be more 'useful' if we Knew that it is merely a 'local' expedient, rather than a Universal?
Zeno proved our everyday (useful) concept of space time is logically flawed. But he didn't propose a solution and saying everything is everything doesn't solve anything. As in your proposal is unactionable.
Beg pardon? Where, exactly, did I say that "everything is everything"? I find it hard to imagine myself so vapid.
Zeno proved that our perceptions are questionable, to say the least. That sounds like a first step into the Light, as far as I can see, Knowing that your thoughts and feelings are, ultimately, illusion, not the way that Reality is Universally.
For instance, one can as easily ask what difference Enlightenment might make in the day to day activities of life.
Perhaps knowing that We are all One might keep One from predating on 'others' (who are really not 'others').
Perhaps Knowing the nature of 'time' prevents it from being the 'limitation' that it is for so many.
A 'self' (thought/ego) imposed limitation.
For my money time, as it is commonly understood, is a flawed concept.
Don't waste your money! *__-
First, there is the question that without a very limited local context, can a 'concept/thought' ever be 'flawed'?
'Time' only exists as a 'concept/thought/feeling'!
'Time' is imperceptible in the Zen of the Here! Now!, imperceptible in/at any moment!
One can see the Here! Now in two centuries as clearly as the Here! Now! as any Here! Now!
Here! Now!
Our limitation to access to Consciousness is the limitations of the ego, 'time/space' being one.
To transcend the ego/thoughts is to transcend time and space.
As in it is trivial to imagine time travel. But are you imagining the past?
The entirety of Reality is Here! Now! Every moment of Universal existence!
We even imagine/ perceive thoughts of/ the 'past' and 'future', Here! Now!
Or predicting the past? I would say the latter.
I would ask; can you predict Now?
Do we need to?
I would say there is no time to travel back in.
Of course there is, in the imagination! In thought! Where 'The Future' (tm) and 'The Past' (tm) reside. *__-
Yet, that is where everything resides! The 'flickering images' that we perceive, at any unique moment, is not an accurate representation of anything 'out there', any more than what we see on our monitor is an accurate representation of our hard drives.
But as to why there is a perception of an arrow then I have no idea.
We perceive 'motion'. Motion moves through what appears to be a 'causality' loop/spiral.
The best theory to explain our perceived causality loop/spiral is 'time'.
A specific theory to explain a specific mirage.
The same, exactly, can be said of 'gravity'! With no motion/time, what does the theory of gravity explain? It becomes meaningless in a Holistic Reality.
I can say our concept is flawed but I make no guesses about what a better concept might be.
For example why is the speed of the light the speed of light? The answer is unknown.
To Know, transcend your concepts; 'thought/ego' IS the box!
"Be empty of what you know
Your clever mind just whips up
A dust storm of pride.
Allow yourself to be fooled and
peace clowns its way into your heart.
If your head would shatter in wonder
at what Reality really is,
reason’s tyranny would end and
every hair on your head would
become an oracle" - Rumi