- September 12th, 2017, 6:51 pm
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Here is the most recognized definition of Science. If you do not accept this definition, you are in the minority and there is no reason for us to debate it. It really isn’t a debatable topic.
“Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.”
Nothing in Philosophy can be put into testable explanations and predictions about anything, especially not the universe.
“Contemporary science is typically subdivided into the natural sciences, which study the material universe; the social sciences, which study people and societies; and the formal sciences, which study logic and mathematics. The formal sciences are often excluded as they do not depend on empirical observations. Disciplines which use science, like engineering and medicine, may also be considered to be applied sciences.”
“From classical antiquity through the 19th century, science as a type of knowledge was more closely linked to philosophy than it is now, and in the Western world the term "natural philosophy" once encompassed fields of study that are today associated with science, such as astronomy, medicine, and physics.”
However, during the Islamic Golden Age foundations for the scientific method were laid by Ibn al-Haytham in his Book of Optics. While the classification of the material world by the ancient Indians and Greeks into air, earth, fire and water was more philosophical, medieval Middle Easterns used practical and experimental observation to classify materials.
In the 17th and 18th centuries, scientists increasingly sought to formulate knowledge in terms of physical laws. Over the course of the 19th century, the word "science" became increasingly associated with the scientific method itself as a disciplined way to study the natural world. It was during this time that scientific disciplines such as biology, chemistry, and physics reached their modern shapes. That same time period also included the origin of the terms "scientist" and "scientific community", the founding of scientific institutions, and the increasing significance of their interactions with society and other aspects of culture.”
So up until the twentieth century, science as a type of knowledge was more closely linked to philosophy; it no longer is in any way is associated with philosophy, except by a few people with degrees in Philosophy and you Jan Pahl.
“You can be a painter and a musician, and even used ideas of one teckne to apply to the other teckne, but obviously what you produce have differences, you can’t create music paint.”
Who in the modern English speaking world use the word “teckne”,
Logic is a branch of philosophy.
There is no such thing as the Epistemology of science which you claim is a branch of philosophy. Or, do you mean history of science?
I guess everything man invents and thinks about is a branch of philosophy.
Epistemology, meaning knowledge, is the branch of philosophy concerned with the theory of knowledge.
The word epistemology is derived from the ancient Greek epistēmē meaning "knowledge" and the suffix -logy, meaning "logical discourse" (derived from the Greek word logos meaning "discourse"). J.F. Ferrier coined epistemology on the model of 'ontology', to designate that branch of philosophy which aims to discover the meaning of knowledge, and called it the 'true beginning' of philosophy. The word is equivalent to the concept Wissenschaftslehre, which was used by German philosophers Johann Fichte and Bernard Bolzano for different projects before it was taken up again by Husserl. French philosophers then gave the term épistémologie a narrower meaning as 'theory of knowledge [théorie de la connaissance].' E.g., Émile Meyerson opened his Identity and Reality, written in 1908, with the remark that the word 'is becoming current' as equivalent to 'the philosophy of the sciences.'
Wow, mankind doesn’t know what knowledge is? Where do they get this nonsense?
Theory of knowledge is nonsense. The history of knowledge is well documented.
Man and animals initially gain knowledge through their senses. Man and animals learn from this knowledge, e.g., don’t touch fire or you will get burned. They pass this information down to their offspring, friends and others. And, some humans write books about what they have observed and learned from those observations and sensory feedback. As man evolved they created libraries for the various books that had been written. They developed mythologies for classifying and organizing those books in the libraries, enumerative, hierarchical and faceted or analytico-synthetic.
What are you talking about when you say “there wasn’t a real sense of different phenomena”? So, man did not know the difference between the phenomena of it raining on his house versus it being struck by lightning and burning down. Yes, proofs in math are different because they deal with abstracts.
Definition of mathematics: “the abstract science of number, quantity, and space. Mathematics may be studied in its own right (pure mathematics), or as it is applied to other disciplines such as physics and engineering (applied mathematics)”.
What exactly is your definition of a ‘proof in philosophy’?
The Ionian tribe existed 600 – 48- BC. Plato existed 427 BC to 347 BC, Classical Athens. Plato was a philosopher in Classical Greece and the founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western World.
My favorite Plato quote is:
“Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.”
“Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.”
Nothing in Philosophy can be put into testable explanations and predictions about anything, especially not the universe.
“Contemporary science is typically subdivided into the natural sciences, which study the material universe; the social sciences, which study people and societies; and the formal sciences, which study logic and mathematics. The formal sciences are often excluded as they do not depend on empirical observations. Disciplines which use science, like engineering and medicine, may also be considered to be applied sciences.”
“From classical antiquity through the 19th century, science as a type of knowledge was more closely linked to philosophy than it is now, and in the Western world the term "natural philosophy" once encompassed fields of study that are today associated with science, such as astronomy, medicine, and physics.”
However, during the Islamic Golden Age foundations for the scientific method were laid by Ibn al-Haytham in his Book of Optics. While the classification of the material world by the ancient Indians and Greeks into air, earth, fire and water was more philosophical, medieval Middle Easterns used practical and experimental observation to classify materials.
In the 17th and 18th centuries, scientists increasingly sought to formulate knowledge in terms of physical laws. Over the course of the 19th century, the word "science" became increasingly associated with the scientific method itself as a disciplined way to study the natural world. It was during this time that scientific disciplines such as biology, chemistry, and physics reached their modern shapes. That same time period also included the origin of the terms "scientist" and "scientific community", the founding of scientific institutions, and the increasing significance of their interactions with society and other aspects of culture.”
So up until the twentieth century, science as a type of knowledge was more closely linked to philosophy; it no longer is in any way is associated with philosophy, except by a few people with degrees in Philosophy and you Jan Pahl.
“You can be a painter and a musician, and even used ideas of one teckne to apply to the other teckne, but obviously what you produce have differences, you can’t create music paint.”
Who in the modern English speaking world use the word “teckne”,
Logic is a branch of philosophy.
There is no such thing as the Epistemology of science which you claim is a branch of philosophy. Or, do you mean history of science?
I guess everything man invents and thinks about is a branch of philosophy.
Epistemology, meaning knowledge, is the branch of philosophy concerned with the theory of knowledge.
The word epistemology is derived from the ancient Greek epistēmē meaning "knowledge" and the suffix -logy, meaning "logical discourse" (derived from the Greek word logos meaning "discourse"). J.F. Ferrier coined epistemology on the model of 'ontology', to designate that branch of philosophy which aims to discover the meaning of knowledge, and called it the 'true beginning' of philosophy. The word is equivalent to the concept Wissenschaftslehre, which was used by German philosophers Johann Fichte and Bernard Bolzano for different projects before it was taken up again by Husserl. French philosophers then gave the term épistémologie a narrower meaning as 'theory of knowledge [théorie de la connaissance].' E.g., Émile Meyerson opened his Identity and Reality, written in 1908, with the remark that the word 'is becoming current' as equivalent to 'the philosophy of the sciences.'
Wow, mankind doesn’t know what knowledge is? Where do they get this nonsense?
Theory of knowledge is nonsense. The history of knowledge is well documented.
Man and animals initially gain knowledge through their senses. Man and animals learn from this knowledge, e.g., don’t touch fire or you will get burned. They pass this information down to their offspring, friends and others. And, some humans write books about what they have observed and learned from those observations and sensory feedback. As man evolved they created libraries for the various books that had been written. They developed mythologies for classifying and organizing those books in the libraries, enumerative, hierarchical and faceted or analytico-synthetic.
What are you talking about when you say “there wasn’t a real sense of different phenomena”? So, man did not know the difference between the phenomena of it raining on his house versus it being struck by lightning and burning down. Yes, proofs in math are different because they deal with abstracts.
Definition of mathematics: “the abstract science of number, quantity, and space. Mathematics may be studied in its own right (pure mathematics), or as it is applied to other disciplines such as physics and engineering (applied mathematics)”.
What exactly is your definition of a ‘proof in philosophy’?
The Ionian tribe existed 600 – 48- BC. Plato existed 427 BC to 347 BC, Classical Athens. Plato was a philosopher in Classical Greece and the founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western World.
My favorite Plato quote is:
“Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.”
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