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Cornernote wrote:The rope hypothesis offers an explanation to the double slit experiment when performed with photons. Not to say this explanation describes reality, but its an explanation none the less. If you want to examine if it matches reality then we should also apply the explanation to observed results with larger molecules, however when we try to do this it seems the hypothesis breaks down.

Regarding footballs, it is my understanding they would behave with a particle wave duality if they had enough momentum.
Well logic must tell us that there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of the double slit experiment.
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#201098
A while ago I had an idea very similar to what I understand the rope hypothesis to be as an explanation of the double slit experiment - that there was some sort of connection between particles that we are unable to detect and probably will never be able to detect. It would also explain quantum entanglement. Certainly not impossible that there are some underlying fundamental aspects to reality that will always be beyond our ability to confirm or deny. Something like that is a lot more attractive to me than the many worlds hypothesis, which might be the only other explanation anybody's come up with for some of the quantum weirdness. A variation on the rope hypothesis would be that there's another dimension, undetectable by us, almost like wormholes, in which the connections between particles which are far distant in our three-dimensional spatial world are very short or even touching in that extended dimension. I wonder if Gaede implied something like that related to string theory. But I'm not smart enough to go beyond general ideas.
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#201104
Cornernote wrote:
Xris wrote:Well logic must tell us that there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of the double slit experiment.
Either that or the double slit experiment tells us there is something seriously wrong with logic. :lol:
If you desert logic then you might as well believe in fairies and gods. Im still not convinced that the experiments mentioned claiming individual particles, as large as they claim, are not in fact EM radiation. Have they considered all posibilities?

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Wilson. You are not alone but you must not make the mistake of making conclusions that go beyond any logical reasoning. I have considered the universe like a spiders web where any action is felt in varying degrees everywhere.
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#201231
Xris wrote:Wilson. You are not alone but you must not make the mistake of making conclusions that go beyond any logical reasoning. I have considered the universe like a spiders web where any action is felt in varying degrees everywhere.
I'm not sure many people would consider a spiders web universe logical. I do have the advantage of you in that I recognize my ignorance and am aware that any speculative ideas I have are probably wrong (but hopefully not impossible). I wonder if you also have the wisdom of uncertainty.
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#201233
Xris wrote:
Cornernote wrote:If you desert logic then you might as well believe in fairies and gods.
Your conclusion does not follow from your premise. Why should we believe in faries and gods simply because we desert logic?

Do you believe logic is objective? Do you believe there is an objective "truth"? I believe it's all relative to the observer.

I cannot convince you either way that it is or is not EM radiation, you have to read the papers regarding the experiments and make your own decision.
#201299
Logic has to accept that there is no objective truth. That's why we must be constantly vigilant. A magician can show you many tricks that defy logic. We accept them as tricks because our logic tells us there is no such thing as magic. Quantum accepts magic. It refuses to accept there might be any alternative. Just like this experiment. I have read them and they do not convince me they apply any logical enquiry. No one has suggested that there might be something wrong with the double slit experiment nor that they might be sending EM radiation rather than particles. If someone can logically prove god ot fairies they are very novel indeed.

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Wilson wrote:
Xris wrote:Wilson. You are not alone but you must not make the mistake of making conclusions that go beyond any logical reasoning. I have considered the universe like a spiders web where any action is felt in varying degrees everywhere.
I'm not sure many people would consider a spiders web universe logical. I do have the advantage of you in that I recognize my ignorance and am aware that any speculative ideas I have are probably wrong (but hopefully not impossible). I wonder if you also have the wisdom of uncertainty.

I have no idea if I am right in believing the universe is constructed like a web of EM strands. I did not claim to be correct, I made the suggestion that it might be. As many cosmologist indicate plasma like strands connect galaxies and are the first indication of galaxies forming the idea might have legs.
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Gaedes Rope Hpothisis probably based on Walter Russel.

.."The entire volume within wave fields is filled with the two opposite expressions of motion-the positive expression that compresses light into solids, and the negative expression that expands it into space surrounding solids.".

20 years ago I saw in health food store a short magizine article about Walter Russel, and it showed light wave being just like Gaede presents as a two-way torsion thread. At least that is the simple version given.

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#272999
Xris wrote:Interesting must look it up.
Here is link to Russell graphics. I dont find the specifi graphic I recall seeing, that, shows a flow going from both particles at same time, in opposite directions of course. One of Gaedes graphics shows that.

http://www.philosophy.org/scientific.html

http://ccosmology.blogspot.com/2014/02/ ... shift.html

~~~(~)~~~~(~)~~~...Gaedes Rope Hypothesis..see link above as conscious EMR agent

Gaedes gravity is resultant of EMRadiation tension...as I understand or misunderstand it.

(^v)(^v)(^v)(^v)(^v)(^v)...r6's tangent vectoral tori..very similar

(-><-)(-><-)(-><-)(-><-)...another way of expressing r6's concept....as consciousness agent.

To be clear with my r6 stuff, those geodesic arcs invert/invaginate >< at their peak-- of an abstract great circle --on outer positive surface { gravity },

and inner negative surface { dark energy } of the vectorial tori.

The outer positive surface peaks (> are where the tori are tangent to each other. I must say, that, I like Gaedes concepts very much, as they are so much like my own.

However, the way I came to my incomplete scenarios, is via my explorations of prime number patterns, as expressed with quasi-linear, four level/line pattern, where all prime numbers--- except 2 and 3 ---fall on the 2nd line from top. I then transferred this to a 2D hexagon discovered all prime numbers, except 2 and 3 fall on two radii, seperate from each by a non-prime number radii.

To my surprise, I received a letter from Oxford University, mathematician Ian Stewart. He stated that he have never seen my geometric expressions for prime numbers before, and then explained to me how the algebra for my geometric expressions were discovered 200 years ago. 6 * n plus or minus 1 is where all prime numbers--- except 2 and 3 ---will fall.

I then say how my hexagon shows that every 6th radii, plus or minus on radii is where all the primes fall. I flunked out of math in 9th grade so I really a mathematical moron for most part. I just happen to stumble upon Bucky Fullers stuff and then had a new geometric way to be inspired.

So then 10 years later, I turned my quasi-1D wave inside-out. So now the prime number line was the top line and since Fuller makes clear that any real line does not go onward infinity, I saw how the top and bottom line close around to become the abstract outer and inner great circle of a tori.

It then became obvious the two inside lines defined a sine-wave topology, where before, the whole four lines defined the topology of regular sine-wave, now only the inside two lines defined a regular/symmetrical topological sine-wave.

0.......6.......12.......18........24.......30......36... observed time
....3.......9........15.......21........27......33.........observed time

I then saw that the sine-wave is defined by the inversion/invagination of the outer > and < inner trajectories. My texticons above give this idea but cannot show the actual break in the trajectory. A trajectory, that approximates, an abstract outer and inner great circle.

In this sense, particles pop in out of existence from gravity and dark energy. This was difficult for me to accept at first. I don't claim to have any of the answers to wave-particle, or entanglement mysteries, as I would have to have better modeling and mathematical abilities to better understand my scenario, as stated.

r6
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