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[Xris]

So have either of you ever listened to the alternatives? Have you listened to the plasma cosmologists or are they all fools?I expect there will be a interval why you both search them out.

[Geordie Ross]

I'm always open to new ideas and theories if they're supported by strong enough evidence.

[Xris]

I'm always open to new ideas and theories if they're supported by strong enough evidence.

Not exactly new but not very acceptable to standard cosmology.

[Geordie Ross]

Why do you think there's some kind of scientific conspiracy?

[Xris]

Why do you think there's some kind of scientific conspiracy?

There is academic investment in many concepts. If any are seriously questioned careers may be threatened.The new holy cow.

[Geordie Ross]

Wrong. Most scientists strive to disprove their own theories and hypotheses, their face and name would be in every scientific journal for the rest of their lives, Nobel prizes, massive government grants, cash incentives etc etc. However, covering up and hiding evidence would end the career and tarnish the reputation of a scientist.

Scientific conspiracy just doesn't add up.

[Xris]

Wrong. Most scientists strive to disprove their own theories and hypotheses, their face and name would be in every scientific journal for the rest of their lives, Nobel prizes, massive government grants, cash incentives etc etc. However, covering up and hiding evidence would end the career and tarnish the reputation of a scientist.

Scientific conspiracy just doesn't add up.

So you have faith. I'm pleased for you.So why do the standard cosmologist discount plasma cosmology with such vitriolic speaches? Why when they find that dark energy is no longer required do they simply erase it. Argue with them less than a year ago against its existence and I would have been classified as stupid. When will they realise that no matter how far they manage to look back in time and find fully formed galaxies they might be wrong? When will they explain what quantum fluctuations actually are.Its not about science in general but the reasonable novel science of cosmology. Not about hiding evidence but constantly adjusting the concept, ignoring or discounting any alternative reasoning.

[Geordie Ross]

You're using the fact that science updates itself against it? Do you realise that changing and revising ideas is what makes science so potent? If science were ridged and unchanging, it would break, it simply wouldn't work.

[Xris]

You're using the fact that science updates itself against it? Do you realise that changing and revising ideas is what makes science so potent? If science were ridged and unchanging, it would break, it simply wouldn't work.

Good science might but we are not talking about science in general. We are debating theoretical cosmology. Would you say that two conflicting sciences are both right or both wrong? Both deny the other with absolute certainty.

[Geordie Ross]

Which two conflicting sciences? And why are they mutually exclusive?

[Xris]

Which two conflicting sciences? And why are they mutually exclusive?

Standard cosmology based on particle physics and plasma cosmology based on the electric universe. They contradict each other. You will see no common ground, no mutual respect. Each one accuses the other of falsity and invention.

[Geordie Ross]

I did a quick Google search of electric universe and plasma cosmology, the first few results say "debunked" "pseudoscience" "obsolete"... I'll research further in time, but its not looking good...

[Xris]

I did a quick Google search of electric universe and plasma cosmology, the first few results say "debunked" "pseudoscience" "obsolete"... I'll research further in time, but its not looking good...

Exactly. Who has debunked them.Guess who?

[Geordie Ross]

You want me to guess? Was it illuminati shape shifting reptilian overlords?....

I don't know, probably by scientists that are rather more knowledgeable on the subject than you or I. I'm certainly not convinced of electric universe, nor plasma cosmology. Gravity, general relativity, the standard model and big bang have no been refuted by either.

[Xris]

You want me to guess? Was it illuminati shape shifting reptilian overlords?....

I don't know, probably by scientists that are rather more knowledgeable on the subject than you or I. I'm certainly not convinced of electric universe, nor plasma cosmology. Gravity, general relativity, the standard model and big bang have no been refuted by either.

You have the faith.Allelula brother, allelula.