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[Eckhart Aurelius Hughes]

I just thought of this interesting thought experiment...

If two black holes were orbiting each other, and you (a human) were positioned directly at their center of gravity, such that the situation is symmetrical across a 2D plane, would they tear you apart?

And, if so, then wouldn't that situation be analogous to being in an infinite universe with no dark energy and with infinite mass scattered uniformly around it, since then in each direction there would be infinite gravity pulling you in that direction, thereby stretching you out in every direction and tearing you apart?

And, if so, isn't that oddly and remarkably similar to the way actual dark energy is actually slowly tearing the observable universe apart?

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[value]

I consider the idea 'infinite amount of ...' to be a fallacy.

Such a type of infinity is named a potential infinity or mathematical infinity and is merely endless of nature. One is philosophically obligated to explain the potential of a begin of a potential infinity and in my opinion that concept cannot be applicable to reality outside the scope of time.

The following topic about a paper by two philosophy professors provides more insights: Endless and infinite.

Officially the Singularity of Mass in black holes is considered a problem where mathematics breaks down and fails to explain reality. LiveScience mentions the following about it:

These singularities don't represent something physical. Rather, when they appear in mathematics, they are telling us that our theories of physics are breaking down, and we need to replace them with a better understanding.
https://www.livescience.com/what-is-singularity

As of today it isn't known what causes gravity. It might be neutrino's.

Gravity -- a neutrino effect?
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Gravi ... ino-effect

Gravity Emerges...From Neutrinos?
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sc ... -neutrinos

If this were to be the case, neutrino's could be the source of both dark energy and gravity with the same mechanism (a gravitational pull effect in different directions, which would include the source of life).

A question to get further insights: can it be said that gravity is of qualitative nature? If it can be made evident that gravity requires quality, then there could be a case to seek the source within the potential of neutrino's to change their mass influence from within themselves.

In the case that you would disagree with this theory/idea. What do you believe that mass/gravity is? And how would black holes manifest 'infinite' mass (what is the theoretical origin of the idea of infinite mass)?

[Celestine Adhiambo]

Imagine an infinite universe with infinite mass distributed evenly. Now, if a black hole were to form due to local variations in density, its gravitational pull would be infinite. In this hypothetical scenario, gravity could extend infinitely, affecting all matter across the infinite expanse. The result might be a peculiar dance of cosmic forces, shaping the structure of this boundless universe in fascinating ways.

[Dominic Mose]

General relativity describes gravity on a cosmic scale, while quantum mechanics deals with subatomic particles. When these two theories are applied simultaneously to extremely dense regions like black hole singularities, mathematical inconsistencies arise, indicating a need for a more unified framework, often sought in theories like string theory or loop quantum gravity. However, a definitive solution to this issue is yet to be achieved, and it remains a frontier in theoretical physics.

[Dominic Mose]

General relativity describes gravity on a cosmic scale, while quantum mechanics deals with subatomic particles. When these two theories are applied simultaneously to extremely dense regions like black hole singularities, mathematical inconsistencies arise, indicating a need for a more unified framework, often sought in theories like string theory or loop quantum gravity. However, a definitive solution to this issue is yet to be achieved, and it remains a frontier in theoretical physics.